Paul O' Grady: save the children(here) appeal

[treelover]

The great POG does a tv appeal for poor kids here in one of the richest countries in the world

 

[weltweit]

I wonder about the appeal for £2 a month. I suppose they calculate that they will get a whole load of people giving which will create a bigger total than if they asked for £10 a month and fewer gave?

 

[butchersapron]

Why on earth is there a here in brackets in the thread title?

 

[mk12]

You know why butchers.

 

[butchersapron]

You know why butchers.

Foreign aid budget?

 

[mk12]

Charity begins at home, we have our own problems, get our own house in order first etc etc

 

[treelover]

Eh, I meant here in one of the most affluent countries in the world STC is needing to run a campaign, I give up...

 

[treelover]

I wonder about the appeal for £2 a month. I suppose they calculate that they will get a whole load of people giving which will create a bigger total than if they asked for £10 a month and fewer gave?

2 pounds usually only covers admin, etc, I think they base it on people becoming committed and will give more over time

 

[RedDragon]

2 pounds usually only covers, admin, etc, I think they base it on people become committed and will give more over time

It would take 9,750 people paying £2 a month to cover Save the Chidren's chief executive's annual salery of £234,000.

 

[goldenecitrone]

It would take 9,750 people paying £2 a month to cover Save the Chidren's chief executive's annual salery of £234,000.

Hence the advertising campaign.

 

[SpineyNorman]

Must need a fair few £2 donations to cover the cost of the advert itself. Got a bit of a soft spot for O'Grady though.

 

[teqniq]

It would take 9,750 people paying £2 a month to cover Save the Chidren's chief executive's annual salery of £234,000.

Why the fuck are these jobs attracting a salary that huge?

Exec's pay from councils to, well pretty much anywhere need to be reconsidered but this is a discussion for another thread really.

/derail

Good on PG though

 

[ViolentPanda]

The great POG does a tv appeal for poor kids here in one of the richest countries in the world

That's a fact of life, unfortunately. Appeals like this have been necessary for over a hundred years. You won't find a decade where there wasn't such an appeal anywhere between about 1840-onward. The only difference is the breadth of scale brought about by information technology.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Eh, I meant here in one of the most affluent countries in the world STC is needing to run a campaign, I give up...

Yeah, but you're making your point as if it's a point unknown to anyone. Some (many?) of us are well aware just how disgustingly-thin provision of any sort is for children in the UK, historically and currently.

 

[nino_savatte]

This idea of taking money from the foreign aid budget (which is always attached to certain economic and, often, military conditions) quite appeals to the xenophobes, Little Englanders and white nationalists, who think furriners are filthy and subhuman... unlike their ignorant, knuckledragging selves.

 

[Farmer Giles]

Inequality Policy Manager
Location: Oxford, Oxfordshire | Salary: £36,830 - £46,260 per annum | Employer: OXFAM GB
You will be responsible for bringing together Oxfam GB’s policy experts to develop policy and to identify opportunities, campaigning for an end to the extreme gap between rich and poor.

 

[teqniq]

these are amongst the reasons I don't give any of these organisations any money.

 

[weltweit]

these are amongst the reasons I don't give any of these organisations any money.

I know that feeling, some charity workers are quite well paid, especially at the higher levels. But do we not want them to be professional in their approach to solving these issues, and if we expect them to be professional should they not be paid the "going rate"?

Not sure I am wholly in support of that view. It for example bothers me that Oxfam is I believe sitting on significant investments, while many who donate may think all their donations go directly to needy causes.

 

[weltweit]

Oxfam had income of €955,900,000 in 2012/13
They had net assets of €302,000,000
By any accounts Oxfam is a significant undertaking.

 

[weltweit]

There is an interesting summary page about Save The Children here:
http://www.savethechildren.org.uk/about-us/our-finances

 

[Humberto]

I know that feeling, some charity workers are quite well paid, especially at the higher levels. But do we not want them to be professional in their approach to solving these issues, and if we expect them to be professional should they not be paid the "going rate"?

Not sure I am wholly in support of that view. It for example bothers me that Oxfam is I believe sitting on significant investments, while many who donate may think all their donations go directly to needy causes.

No. Someone else can do it for a sensible amount.

 

[weltweit]

No. Someone else can do it for a sensible amount.

What sort of amount? Who would decide what that amount would be?

 

[Humberto]

What sort of amount? Who would decide what that amount would be?

Common sense.

 

[weltweit]

Common sense.

Oh, ok.
So what does common sense tell you/us the chief of a charity pulling in and spending close to a billion Euro a year should be paid?

 

[Humberto]

Oh, ok.
So what does common sense tell you/us the chief of a charity pulling in and spending close to a billion Euro a year should be paid?

About 50K tops

 

[Humberto]

About 50K tops

Thats my 'disgusted I won't bother giving you a penny' limit

 

[weltweit]

About 50K tops

So for example Oxfam, 17 organisations working in more than 90 countries, the chief should be on £50k? So everyone else could be expected to be on less? I am not sure that would fly.

 

[weltweit]

Thats my 'disgusted I won't bother giving you a penny' limit

So, if the CEO of the charity is on more than £50k you won't give anything?
Is that your rule? I expect that might rule out quite a lot of charities.

I know a middle ranking IT person, who earns £50k, has three kids and a London mortgage to pay.
I would not describe him as exactly rich.

 

[Humberto]

So for example Oxfam, 17 organisations working in more than 90 countries, the chief should be on £50k? So everyone else could be expected to be on less? I am not sure that would fly.

Why are you so keen to defend charity money going to extremely well paid executives?

 

[weltweit]

Why are you so keen to defend charity money going to extremely well paid executives?

I am not keen, I am just putting that point of view, for the sake of it.
I actually haven't decided my own position yet.