Patrick Finucane

[elbows]

Scary thing is that it's people like likefish who had guns put in theirs hands and pointed towards 'go sort them out'

Somewhat inevitable and by design, you want your professional killers to have dehumanised the enemy so that they dont hesitate when called to extinguish the life of fellow humans. Good for moral and unquestioningly following orders eh what what.

 

[Pickman's model]

tbf, there are other people on this thread who served in NI who have more intelligent views

even lock&light had a more nuanced view on the six counties than likesfish

 

[Pickman's model]

Somewhat inevitable and by design, you want your professional killers to have dehumanised the enemy so that they dont hesitate when called to extinguish the life of fellow humans. Good for moral and unquestioningly following orders eh what what.

i think what butchers is driving at is that the loyalist paramilitaries were people like likesfish.

 

[elbows]

tbf, there are other people on this thread who served in NI who have more intelligent views

Or better disguised ones.

Please note this is a general comment rather than an accusation about anyone in particular since I have no idea who served.

 

[Blagsta]

i think what butchers is driving at is that the loyalist paramilitaries were people like likesfish.

Ahhh, right, yes.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

As one of those 'other people' who did tours of NI - I distance myself greatly from the views of likesfish.

Fuck occupied state oppression & all that it stands for.

 

[elbows]

Fair play.

 

[butchersapron]

tbf, there are other people on this thread who served in NI who have more intelligent views

There are, but they still gave people like him guns and tried to make many likefishes. That VP, fed, bishie and others had their own sense is sort of the guarantee of our final victory. I always try to differentiate, not least because of my own family experiences here.

 

[elbows]

I freely admit to ignorance and the luxury of having no personal, friend or family connection to the troubles on any level. So I should watch my tongue really.

 

[Buckaroo]

I freely admit to ignorance and the luxury of having no personal, friend or family connection to the troubles on any level. So I should watch my tongue really.

Fair play.

 

[framed]

I saw them as a bunch of murderous cunts high on guinness and rebel songs.

The 'murderous cunts' bit aside, that's pretty much a fair description of a lot of Celtic supporters I know, but I can't think of a single republican political activist, former IRA operative, or ex-prisoner who fits the description.

Many of those that you were aiming your guns at tended to regard the British Army as a bunch of murderous cunts high on lager and the music of Blood & Honour... But they were as wrong in their perceptions as you are in yours.

Most of the former squaddies I've met, including a member of my own family, do not share your view of the nationalist community or the IRA, nor did they particularly enjoy carrying out some of the orders they were given.

 

[Idaho]

Errm that is what this thread is about, and is exactly what we've been saying and you and SpookyFrank have been arguing against.

You're the one claiming that "dirty war is dirty" to excuse murdering a solicitor in front of his family.You two are the ones defending terrorism while accusing other people on the thread of ... defending terrorism.

I don't believe I was excusing his murder. I was expressing a lack of surprise at the immorality of the State when faced with an insurgency.

 

[Blagsta]

I don't believe I was excusing his murder. I was expressing a lack of surprise at the immorality of the State when faced with an insurgency.

I don't think anyone is surprised.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I'm puzzled by "high on Guinness". You don't get "high" on Guinness, you get ponderous, maudlin and then either violent or unconscious. It's the nature of the beast!

 

[Ax^]

Pretty much if your goingvto recognise the provos as some sort of liberation force.
Trying to stop them is obviously evil .

I saw them as a bunch of murderous cunts high on guinness and rebel songs.

Well if its any comfort in the murderous cunt stakes the British state won by miles

 

[goldenecitrone]

I'm puzzled by "high on Guinness". You don't get "high" on Guinness, you get ponderous, maudlin and then either violent or unconscious. It's the nature of the beast!

Closely followed by awful headaches in my case. Can't touch the stuff.

 

[Idaho]

Fortunately my body has a highly sophisticated mechanism to prevent me from drinking Guinness. I call them taste buds..

 

[framed]

Fortunately my body has a highly sophisticated mechanism to prevent me from drinking Guinness. I call them taste buds..

Meaning you have none?

 

[nino_savatte]

Because thats a valid excuse for killing children with a bomb in a litter bin?

Don't be soft, soft lad.

The British state used proxies (Loyalist death squads) to take out those it believed were members of the IRA, INLA or Republican sympathisers. Are those the actions of a liberal democracy that claims to be the very 'birthplace' of the 'rule of law'? It smells like the raw sewage of hypocrisy to me.

 

[nino_savatte]

Pretty much if your goingvto recognise the provos as some sort of liberation force.
Trying to stop them is obviously evil .

I saw them as a bunch of murderous cunts high on guinness and rebel songs.

He's a walking talking cliché.

 

[nino_savatte]

I'm puzzled by "high on Guinness". You don't get "high" on Guinness, you get ponderous, maudlin and then either violent or unconscious. It's the nature of the beast!

You may even play a bodhran or a fiddle if you're musically inclined.

 

[Greebo]

You may even play a bodhran or a fiddle if you're musically inclined.

The more musically inclined would do the decent thing and stay well away from the bodhran. And I say that as somebody who's been known to play one without a beater.

 

[Idaho]

[dp

 

[Idaho]

Don't be soft, soft lad.

The British state used proxies (Loyalist death squads) to take out those it believed were members of the IRA, INLA or Republican sympathisers. Are those the actions of a liberal democracy that claims to be the very 'birthplace' of the 'rule of law'? It smells like the raw sewage of hypocrisy to me.

I think the loyalists were both useful to the state during the troubles, but were fundamentally a pain in the arse. Other than a handful of people this side of the irish sea, the vast majority would gladly be shot of the place.

 

[SpookyFrank]

So am I the only one who thinks all parties involved in this whole fiasco behaved pretty fucking horrendously and that any attempt to pick out one particular group as the worst gives undue credit to all the others?

And if we were trying to decide who were the bigger cunts, it might be better to compare their respective body counts rather than what may or may not have been their beverage of choice.

 

[Idaho]

It's like most things. A big mess that can't really be completely unravelled.

 

[last16]

Idaho,are you referring to franks brain? Idiot.

 

[LiamO]

Yay! Let's hear it for Frank - the patriotic (to the point of blindness) anarchist

 

[two sheds]

So am I the only one who thinks all parties involved in this whole fiasco behaved pretty fucking horrendously and that any attempt to pick out one particular group as the worst gives undue credit to all the others?

No, you're the only one who seems to think that solicitors should be shot in front of their families and the killers should get off without punishment.

You're also the only one who seems to thing that this statement is support for terrorism.

 

[nino_savatte]

I think the loyalists were both useful to the state during the troubles, but were fundamentally a pain in the arse. Other than a handful of people this side of the irish sea, the vast majority would gladly be shot of the place.

If they were such a "pain in the arse", then it never stopped the state from using them to carry out targeted murders. They were happy to do so, because their objectives intersected. When you say the "vast majority would gladly be shot of the place", who do you mean?