Palestine solidarity demos in the UK

[The39thStep]

I heard somewhere (so probably bollocks) that those three shared a flat in London. I like to think that all their inherent Trot splittiness was all down to arguments over whose turn it was to do the washing up.

Be great if true however I think Cliff was in Ireland , as he couldn't reside in the UK , at the time of the RCP .

 

[hitmouse]

can't someone make a handy infographic of all this? A Bit like this but better and with more inter organisation conflict

Here you go, does this help?

 

[The39thStep]

Here is a former poster's know your trot historical diagram

https://www.pdf-archive.com/2015/06/13/trotskyist-family-tree-draft-3/trotskyist-family-tree-draft-3.pdf

 

[hitmouse]

I heard somewhere (so probably bollocks) that those three shared a flat in London. I like to think that all their inherent Trot splittiness was all down to arguments over whose turn it was to do the washing up.

I think I heard it was a caravan? Not saying my source was reliable either like.

 

[hitmouse]

Here is a former poster's know your trot historical diagram

https://www.pdf-archive.com/2015/06/13/trotskyist-family-tree-draft-3/trotskyist-family-tree-draft-3.pdf

Blimey, my browser does not want me to look at that link.

 

[The39thStep]

Blimey, my browser does not want me to look at that link.

Its the same file as here titled British Trotskyist Family Tree

Useful files

A few files and documents which may be of interest for a study of British Trotskyism BEHEMOTHS: Robert Alexander’s monumental study of International Trotskyism 1929 -1985 Wolfgang Lubitz Trot…

splitsandfusions.wordpress.com

 

[hitmouse]

Its the same file as here titled British Trotskyist Family Tree

Useful files

A few files and documents which may be of interest for a study of British Trotskyism BEHEMOTHS: Robert Alexander’s monumental study of International Trotskyism 1929 -1985 Wolfgang Lubitz Trot…

splitsandfusions.wordpress.com

I wonder how many groups have appeared, been rebranded and/or disappeared since that chart was made?

 

[The39thStep]

I wonder how many groups have appeared, been rebranded and/or disappeared since that chart was made?

Thank heavens for new groups like Former Anarchists for Galloway and affinity groups.

 

[hitmouse]

Anyway, with apologies for derailing the trot family tree thread, apparently there's 31 student occupations for Palestine ongoing as of this weekend:

 

[TopCat]

Thank heavens for new groups like Former Anarchists for Galloway and affinity groups.

Are they thriving?

 

[Karl Masks]

can't someone make a handy infographic of all this? A Bit like this but better and with more inter organisation conflict

Isn't that the kind of task that broke Paul Mason's brain?

 

[The39thStep]

Are they thriving?

Making steady headway

 

[hitmouse]

Here you go, does this help?
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I thought this one was funny, anyway. Pearls before bleedin' swine with you lot sometimes.

Anyway, actually coming back to this thread to crosspost this:
Donny demo:

A Palestine Actionist has been in prison since dismantling the Teledyne factory in Shipley back at the beginning of April having been refused bail.

Through their action, they halted the production of components for Israel’s missiles and fighter jets.

Let’s show them they are not alone! Bring drums and pans so we can make some noise.

Mobilise on Sunday 26th May from 1-3PM outside HMP Doncaster, Marsh Gate, DN5 8UX

 

[tony.c]

Pro-Israel Zionists and RW turned out in Finchley yesterday to oppose protest against showing of Israeli propaganda film.

 

[nino_savatte]

socialist appeal are now called the Revolutionary Community Party?

But there was another groiup with the same name and that's where this fellow is from?

Who can keep up with this?

Yes, and they're the third such party in the history of British politics to use the name. The first was founded in 1944 and included Gerry Healy, Ted Grant and Tony Cliff.

 

[nino_savatte]

Anyway, with apologies for derailing the trot family tree thread, apparently there's 31 student occupations for Palestine ongoing as of this weekend:

I see UAL has been included as a constituent college of the University of London. It isn't; it's a separate institution that brings together various art colleges in and around London.

 

[hitmouse]

I see UAL has been included as a constituent college of the University of London. IIt isn't; it's a separate institution that brings together various art colleges in and around London.

Huh, weirdly enough that's the second time UAL's come up for me this afternoon. Don't suppose you have any strong feelings on whether GMB or Unison would be better to join for a new starter at UAL?

 

[Miss-Shelf]

Huh, weirdly enough that's the second time UAL's come up for me this afternoon. Don't suppose you have any strong feelings on whether GMB or Unison would be better to join for a new starter at UAL?

More likely that unison has a bigger presence?

 

[hitmouse]

More likely that unison has a bigger presence?

Yeah, at almost any other uni I'd pretty much automatically recommend Unison, but it sounds like UAL might have an unusually good GMB branch?

Anyway, here's some nice news:

Damaging Property Justifiable to Save Palestinian Lives, Court Finds | Novara Media

A Leicester court acquitted two Palestine Action activists of criminal damage, accepting that their actions were necessary to save lives and prevent greater property damage in Palestine.

novaramedia.com

https://palestineaction.org/not-guilty-leicester/

 

[nino_savatte]

Huh, weirdly enough that's the second time UAL's come up for me this afternoon. Don't suppose you have any strong feelings on whether GMB or Unison would be better to join for a new starter at UAL?

Not really; I'm not a fan of either union. When I was working in local government, I was a member of Unison. Currently, I'm a member of UCU, Unite, Equity and IWW.

 

[hitmouse]

Things got a bit lively in Manchester last night - people on the ground thought it was the cops attempting to evict the Manchester Uni occupation, the cops are claiming they thought an entire demo was attempting to enter the occupation and that's why they were kicking off:

Huge police response at Manchester University as protesters 'barricade' building

A large number of police vehicles were pictured on the Oxford Road campus last night

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

Meanwhile in Edinburgh:

Activists cut internet access for arms factory that supplies Israel - Freedom News

Activists from Palestine Action Scotland sabotaged the internet cables of Edinburgh's Leonardo factory and sprayed red paint over their fighter jet model displays.

freedomnews.org.uk

 

[TopCat]

Police upped the ante in london last night. Deploying snatch squads to steam into the crowd and arrest ringleaders. Three London police hurt as pro-Palestine protesters breach deadline – Met

 

[Miss-Shelf]

Got very busy in London as well last night and this morning
They are twitchy this week or don't want election optics going sour
People were kettled for hours in the rain

Three London police hurt as pro-Palestine protesters breach deadline – Met

One officer has serious facial injury from thrown bottle, says Scotland Yard, after about 500 people refused to leave Whitehall

www.theguardian.com

 

[hitmouse]

From that article:

Three police officers were injured and 40 people arrested during a protest in Westminster on Tuesday night, Scotland Yard said.

One officer was left with a serious facial injury after she was hit by a bottle thrown from the crowd, while two officers had minor injuries.

Metropolitan police said the suspect who threw the bottle had not been identified but police were investigating.

A protest organised by a coalition of groups, including the Palestine Solidarity Group, began about 6pm and was required to end at 8pm, police said.

Either Palestine Solidarity Group are a new org I've never heard of, or someone's really bad at fact-checking very basic stuff like the names of organisations. Is someone getting PSC mixed up with the TSG?

Also, the Manchester camp now has a new banner commemorating Monday's events:

 

[Miss-Shelf]

Netpol's report out today on the policing of pro Palestine protests

https://netpol.org/2024/05/30/in-our-millions-report-launch/

 

[hitmouse]

Currently at 36 encampments, according to this:

Although they've not listened to Nino's feedback on UAL being separate from UoL.

 

[Gramsci]

Netpol's report out today on the policing of pro Palestine protests

https://netpol.org/2024/05/30/in-our-millions-report-launch/

Read the full report now.

I did feel it could be a bit more nuanced. Its correct that sections of media and some politicians ( from left and right) did and are trying to smear those who demonstrate as anti Semitic and or extremists. However despite the best efforts of the Suella Braverman Met did not try to ban demos.

I do feel however the post these demos and in future a government may try to lower the bar for Met to be able to ban protests. So agree with report that protest needs defending.

On the bit in report about collusion between those opposing demos and police. Felt this was a bit overdone. Whilst its clear that groups like CAA and other pro Zionist groups have done their best to discredit demos/ protestors. Even Met do not always go along with this. Take the I cant walk across London as a Jew safely accusation at recent march. Where Met go it in the neck for not facilitating this attempted provocation.

Given my couple of reservations its a good report. And all respect to those who volunteer as observers.

My feeling is from being on demos is that the police are closely filming them and watching people. I've found it quite intrusive and its like the authorities are looking over ones shoulder. They make it clear they are doing it. The sheer numbers of those attending mean its difficult for police to do this but they are trying to.

The general atmosphere has changed and I do not see people with placards about genocide being told to take them down now. Since the ICJ saying their is a case to answer. I did witness this in earlier demo.

I agree with the report that the IHRA definition of anti semitism plus examples is what the police have been using.

From page 6

A climate since October 2023 where political speech and protest criticising the state of
Israel is policed almost entirely as a potential ‘hate crime’, based on a very strict adoption
of the IHRA definition of antisemitism by the government and by the College of Policing.

Listening to spokesperson from one of the student occupations in UK and one of their demands is the UNI drop the IHRA definition.

Something I agree with.

The IHRA plus examples can be easily used to discredit people who are anti Zionist. And equates anti Zionism with anti semitism.

 

[planetgeli]

Its the same file as here titled British Trotskyist Family Tree

Useful files

A few files and documents which may be of interest for a study of British Trotskyism BEHEMOTHS: Robert Alexander’s monumental study of International Trotskyism 1929 -1985 Wolfgang Lubitz Trot…

splitsandfusions.wordpress.com

Pah. That 'family tree' has nothing on The Fall.

And it hurt my eyes.

 

[Dystopiary]

Read the full report now.

I did feel it could be a bit more nuanced. Its correct that sections of media and some politicians ( from left and right) did and are trying to smear those who demonstrate as anti Semitic and or extremists. However despite the best efforts of the Suella Braverman Met did not try to ban demos.

I do feel however the post these demos and in future a government may try to lower the bar for Met to be able to ban protests. So agree with report that protest needs defending.

On the bit in report about collusion between those opposing demos and police. Felt this was a bit overdone. Whilst its clear that groups like CAA and other pro Zionist groups have done their best to discredit demos/ protestors. Even Met do not always go along with this. Take the I cant walk across London as a Jew safely accusation at recent march. Where Met go it in the neck for not facilitating this attempted provocation.

Given my couple of reservations its a good report. And all respect to those who volunteer as observers.

My feeling is from being on demos is that the police are closely filming them and watching people. I've found it quite intrusive and its like the authorities are looking over ones shoulder. They make it clear they are doing it. The sheer numbers of those attending mean its difficult for police to do this but they are trying to.

The general atmosphere has changed and I do not see people with placards about genocide being told to take them down now. Since the ICJ saying their is a case to answer. I did witness this in earlier demo.

I agree with the report that the IHRA definition of anti semitism plus examples is what the police have been using.

From page 6



Listening to spokesperson from one of the student occupations in UK and one of their demands is the UNI drop the IHRA definition.

What politicians from the left?

 

[Gramsci]

What politicians from the left?

I'm including Starmer and his ilk.

At first trying to stop MPs from attending matches in support of Palestinians.

In Labour party in my local area Lambeth the party leadership use more coded language like supporting a ceasefire was "divisive" in a multicultural borough like Lambeth. Removing party whip from Cllrs who supported it.

So it's been more subtle at times from labour party.