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Opposing the march for England: April 21st /Brighton

I'd say they actually hate the country, seeing as how they are at odds with the make up and diversity of England. They're a disgrace to the country, I reckons.

Not only that, but flying an England flag whilst throwing Nazi salutes does present a startling contradiction. The majority of their followers having a somewhat at times bizarre obsession with the Third Reich suggests to me that their primary motivation is racism and racist ideology not nationalism as they claim to profess. Nationalism is just a convenient (and usually emotional and reactionary) aspect which they can attach their nasty little worldview.

This has always been the case with previous generations of Fash. In fact if we go all the way back then you can be sure that had things gone their way these same idiots (along with Moseley etc) would have been welcoming Hitler's Navy as it sailed into Portsmouth docks.
 
Not actually sure these cretins have any problem with contradiction apart from spelling it obviously when your obviously stupid.
england love. It
Hitler hates all the people I hate apart from the ones that serve me curry obviously :(
 
Not only that, but flying an England flag whilst throwing Nazi salutes does present a startling contradiction. The majority of their followers having a somewhat at times bizarre obsession with the Third Reich suggests to me that their primary motivation is racism and racist ideology not nationalism as they claim to profess. Nationalism is just a convenient (and usually emotional and reactionary) aspect which they can attach their nasty little worldview.

This has always been the case with previous generations of Fash. In fact if we go all the way back then you can be sure that had things gone their way these same idiots (along with Moseley etc) would have been welcoming Hitler's Navy as it sailed into Portsmouth docks.

Mmm. With all that in mind and as I said, their hated of the country, I'd love to see the look on their faces if someone yelled "traitors" at them on their next day out... :D
 
major credit for sunday should go to brighton anti-fascists, the black block and the punks from punx picnic who showed up en masse and with a sound system. black block ran plod ragged all day.
 
Nice to see there was no sympathy for these idiots. Someone drunk came up to me at the pub the other night and slurred something which involved referring to me as an 'Englishman' and something about marching (I think I was being exhorted to march) - I had no idea what it was about until seeing this thread.
 
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Photo credit : Joel Goodman/LNP ©under licence to London News Pictures

Caption:

"Someone mistakes innocent Fred Perry wearer for SWP's Martin Smith, chins him". :)
 
Couldn't see the whites of their eyes, let alone have a conversation with them on issues that don't revolve around Belgian lager.

fyi, most are pro-Israel anyway, & only know Greece as a holiday destination.
 
I've noticed there's a fair bit of sneering going on as to what the political opposition look like. As much as I enjoy the occasional laugh at how ridiculous their notion of physical and racial supremacy is, it has to be remembered that it's their fucked up ideology that's objectionable and not their dress sense.

At the end of the day the majority of Fascist foot-soldiers actually come from the same class background as ourselves, and if we're not capable of winning over many of those exact same people to our view then that's a failing on our behalf and the left in general.

As much as the far-right love to paint those on the left as tree hugging anarcho freaks, we're playing into the same game by helping create these stereotypical polar opposites.

On a slightly different note. Going over some of the footage again from Brighton bouncing around on the internet, the Black Bloc tactics have at least partially achieved some success here (and let's face it, it does achieve a psychological as well as physical unity - which is definitely its strength). But I think that's mainly down to the police mishandling on the day. You can bet that should there be a return next year, the cops are going to adapt their tactics (as should the counter protesters).
 
I've noticed there's a fair bit of sneering going on as to what the political opposition look like. As much as I enjoy the occasional laugh at how ridiculous their notion of physical and racial supremacy is, it has to be remembered that it's their fucked up ideology that's objectionable and not their dress sense.

At the end of the day the majority of Fascist foot-soldiers actually come from the same class background as ourselves, and if we're not capable of winning over many of those exact same people to our view then that's a failing on our behalf and the left in general.

As much as the far-right love to paint those on the left as tree hugging anarcho freaks, we're playing into the same game by helping create these stereotypical polar opposites.

On a slightly different note. Going over some of the footage again from Brighton bouncing around on the internet, the Black Bloc tactics have at least partially achieved some success here (and let's face it, it does achieve a psychological as well as physical unity - which is definitely its strength). But I think that's mainly down to the police mishandling on the day. You can bet that should there be a return next year, the cops are going to adapt their tactics (as should the counter protesters).

dunno about that.

chalk and cheese comes to mind in regards backgrounds, levels of education, class differences.

going by personal experience, which doesn't count for a lot i suppose, most marxist/anarchist/left wing actavists i have met are educated middle/lower middle class, where as the EDL types i have met are all invariably working class and suffer from a total level of ignorance in regards education (probably hence their views).

i wouldn't say "cut from the same cloth" at all.
 
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