Olympic Track & Field - aka Athletics thread
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But he's moaning on the Aussie thread too!
So much negativity! If you celebrate then you are 'naive.'
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When it comes to consequences for doping we are hardcore in the UK- as Dwain Chambers found out to his cost.
If he belonged to any other team (with the exception of Norway) he'd be in Beijing right now, sulking because he'd have just had his arse kicked by Usain Bolt.
Christine missed 3 tests in 18 months. She was tested just 3 days after the final missed test and it was all clear. THREE DAYS! If she had made that last test and passed it, would that asuage the nay-sayers?
She won her appeal, the BOA unanimously accepted her mitigating circumstances.
Dick Pound, the head honcho of the World Anti Doping Agency *with no axe to grind* said Christine shouldnt be banned from the Olympics. UKA called the missed tests 'an unintentional infraction.'
As for 'missing tests is as bad as testing positive' bollocks, why not have Dwain in the Team then?
There are people making arguments for the sake of it here. Others just like to snipe and you'd be hard pushed to find them making any positive posts about anything at all.
TrippyLondoner
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But he's moaning on the Aussie thread too!
So much negativity! If you celebrate then you are 'naive.'
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I know i just noticed that after my post.
TrippyLondoner
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No wonder we do so shit in athletics if anyone who wins gold for us gets called a cheat.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
Think about what you are saying here for a moment. If missing three tests or tampering with a sample isn't to be considered "conclusive proof" of drug taking, then every cheat would do one or the other and we would never have any "conclusive proof" that anyone is on drugs.
Every athlete knows when they compete in top level competition that missing three tests or tampering with a sample are considered doping violations just as much as returning an actual positive test. If it was any other way, they might as well just give up on testing altogether. The athletes know that they have to meet testing requirements, they sign up to doing so, and the overwhelming majority of them manage to show up for their tests. As for instance every other member of the British team did.
The whole point of the out of competition tests is that it is away from competition that the tests actually have some chance of working. They are more, not less, important than in-competition tests. Missing one or two of those tests should set alarm bells ringing. Missing three gets you a ban, and rightly so.
The British team has a policy of banning anyone done for a doping violation from competing in the Olympics. That's something worth supporting, if you are British or even if you aren't and just want to see clean sports. The people cheering on Ohuruogo are undermining that policy, by showing clearly that for them success matters more than competing clean.
QueenofGoths said:
I was a bit uncharitable in my first post, I accept. Some people really don't have any background knowledge about doping in sports and therefore might genuinely and naively take assurances from people who have been caught breaking the rules at face value. However, there are also lots of people who will engage in any amount of special pleading for successful athletes from their own country. The problem there isn't naivity, it's willfull stupidity.
Not everyone who cheered on Ohuruogo fell into the second category, but quite a few do as the general tone of various "nyeh, nyeh, nyeh, I'm not listening" responses indicates.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
As I said in a previous post, if someone misses two tests it should cause raised eyebrows. However, missing two tests doesn't constitute a doping violation. Missing three does.
Here's the thing about testing. The testers are well behind the cheats. Only the stupid, the desperate or the extremely unlucky actually test positive, particularly in-competition. When cheats are using detectable substances (and remember that many substances are not detectable), they try to time their usage so that the substance has passed through their system before they are next tested. Small periods of time here or there can make all the difference to a positive or a negative result. Every day matters.
Melinda said:
Because, unlike Ohuruogo he didn't manage to circumvent his ban.
TrippyLondoner
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You do go on a bit don't you, nigel?
Anyhow, been a good day of athletics, looking forward to tmrw!
Anyhow, been a good day of athletics, looking forward to tmrw!
QueenOfGoths
Fuck you Dave!
I don't think that is true - I certainly will be very upset if she or any other athlete turns out to have taken drugs. As I am sure most if not all the people on this thread will be.
I also agree with the policy of the British team and want to see a clean sport - again as I imagine most people on this thread will - but in this case she served her ban, appealed against the ban from the Olympics had that appeal upheld and thus, as far as I am concerned, should be given the benefit of the doubt.
Also although I appreciate your point about missing three tests she did serve a years ban for that and she has not, before or since, tested positive. For me that is enough to accept innocence - until proved otherwise - and simply be happy about her success
Treacle Toes
Time
Nigel, are you a jilted ex of Christina's or something?
Go on you can tell us, did she dump you and run off with another athlete?
Surely you didn't think she was always training did you?
Although that is a master excuse.
Go on you can tell us, did she dump you and run off with another athlete?
Surely you didn't think she was always training did you?
Although that is a master excuse.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
The problem being essentially that you won't accept anything short of a confession signed in her own blood and nailed to the door of the Vatican as proof thereof. Or a positive test result, which is about as likely if a cheat knows what they are doing.
Nigel, are you a jilted ex of Christina's or something?
Probably a relative of Sanya Richards 
TrippyLondoner
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*thinks of adding nigel to the other idiots he has on ignore*
Shanaze Reade in the BMX! Im so excited!
Nigel-Next you will be saying bolt is a druggie too......
More likely than not, yes.
Woof
TrippyLondoner
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Btw melinda, clear ur pms pls!Been tryna pm you, lol.
Sweaty Betty
Hemo rising!
More likely than not, yes.
Woof
Has he been tested since his win??????
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
Nigel, are you a jilted ex of Christina's or something?
No, just someone who has watched endless special pleading by people in every sport for successful drug cheats from their own country and who has grown sick of the willful stupidity. And as for being one of Sanya Richard's relatives, I'd certainly be pissed off if my sister had been beaten into silver by a proven doping violator.
Treacle Toes
Time
Oh get off your high horse.
Unlesssssssssssss.................you actually supplied her with the drugs yourself like?
Treacle Toes
Time
How and where have you 'watched' this 'special pleading' exactly?
Sweaty Betty
Hemo rising!
Treacle Toes
Time
Maybe he is an IOC official
Don't they have their own bulletin boards or something?
TrippyLondoner
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Treacle Toes
Time
Done sorry! Was full from last night.
Somehow I had 101 messages? I thought we were only allowed 100?
Treacle Toes
Time
Done sorry! Was full from last night.
Somehow I had 101 messages? I thought we were only allowed 100?
You do realise that that ^^^^^^ post will be the motive behind someone starting a thread of complaint in the feedback forum at some point today. It's clearly because you are special, it's favoritism I tell ye!
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
All over the media when a very prominent Irish swimmer (who never tested positive!) was winning medals. All over cycling forums whenever Americans posted. All over these forums when this proven doping violator won. To give just three examples. You name the sport, if someone is succesful enough, quite a lot of people from their own country will defend them no matter what the evidence is.
Of course when I say "defend them", I don't mean putting forward reasonable arguments on their behalf. By and large it quickly degenerates into shouting killjoy at anyone concerned with the truth, sneering, insulting, and sticking your fingers in your ears. The tragic thing is that the "patriotic" Brits who just want to cheer on success, and screw the dodgy circumstances, are actually undermining one of the policies that the British team has that is worth supporting. It's far more impressive to me that the British team has a policy of slinging out doping violators that it would be for any number of drug cheats to win in British colours.
Given the reality of out-of-season testing, I fear that optimism, in this instance, is definately naive.
A classic case of the failure of triumph over experience.
Whatever tho', a good dose of nationalism keeps the hordes under control.
*shrugs*
Woof
You do realise that that ^^^^^^ post will be the motive behind someone starting a thread of complaint in the feedback forum at some point today. It's clearly because you are special, it's favoritism I tell ye!
Its coz I loves da monkees! W00t!
Treacle Toes
Time
I am possibly one of the most un-nationalist people.Given the reality of out-of-season testing, I fear that optimism, in this instance, is definately naive.
A classic case of the failure of triumph over experience.
Whatever tho', a good dose of nationalism keeps the hordes under control.
*shrugs*
Woof
I cheered her on because she came from well behind and snatched it. I like to watch people perform special things.If she has been doping, nothing I can say will change anything. So naive or not. I'll wait for proof because disapproval and negativity is like a disease it eats you up and makes you bitter, so don't want to go there unless absolutely necessary..
