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This thread: Any GB athletics people who might do OK? -- my second pick, there.

me said:
Christine Ohuruogu -- looked very good in the 400m, as did Nicola Sanders (who came second), but they will be against stiffer competition in the Olympics. Lee McConnell also looked pretty good. The women's 4x400 team should be awesome.
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Although Sanders turned out to be crocked and McConnell always does better in the relay than individually, for some reason.

Didn't take a genius to pick out Christine, mind. She's great.
 
g force said:
Exactly. Some may say that points to something but in all the times she has been tested she has never been found to be using anything.
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This kind of comment is all too common from people who don't understand how drug testing works. The tests, particularly in-competition tests, only catch the stupid, the unlucky or the desperate. That's because many drugs are undetectable and even most of the detectable ones (particularly various forms steroids) are taken mostly during out of competition periods, when testing is less frequent.

This particular athlete was not banned for missing a test. She was banned for missing three out of competition tests, which is considered firm enough evidence of doping by pretty much every sport to land you a ban. Get that? Not one test. Not two tests. Three of them. She is a drug cheat, just as much as someone caught with anabolic steroids in their piss, or someone who never tests positive but who gets done for tampering with a sample.

Far from thinking, as some idiot above suggests, that there is something wrong with winning a medal for Britain, I actually think that Britain is one of the few countries which operates a correct policy of banning anyone done for a doping offence from competing at the Olympics. Ohuruogo used the Court of Arbitration to circumvent that ban. She shouldn't be there, and people cheering her on just because she is British are undermining their own team's anti-doping policy.

As for the testing procedures being "ridiculous", no, they are not. Everyone else on the British team managed to avoid missing three tests, as did thousands of other Olympic athletes. As I explained above, out of competition tests are the most important element of the testing regime. The ones in competition are mostly for show. Cheats miss out of competition tests because they don't want to be tested while detectable substances are still in their body. It's a perfectly rational thing to do if the test is likely to catch you. The first couple of times you don't even get a ban. Even a third time the competition ban is shorter than it is for a positive test.

Innocent until proven guilty? I hate to break it to some of you, but she has in fact been proven guilty.
 
Nigel Irritable said:
This kind of comment is all too common from people who don't understand how drug testing works. The tests, particularly in-competition tests, only catch the stupid, the unlucky or the desperate. That's because many drugs are undetectable and even most of the detectable ones (particularly various forms steroids) are taken mostly during out of competition periods, when testing is less frequent.

This particular athlete was not banned for missing a test. She was banned for missing three out of competition tests, which is considered firm enough evidence of doping by pretty much every sport to land you a ban. Get that? Not one test. Not two tests. Three of them. She is a drug cheat, just as much as someone caught with anabolic steroids in their piss, or someone who never tests positive but who gets done for tampering with a sample.

Far from thinking, as some idiot above suggests, that there is something wrong with winning a medal for Britain, I actually think that Britain is one of the few countries which operates a correct policy of banning anyone done for a doping offence from competing at the Olympics. Ohuruogo used the Court of Arbitration to circumvent that ban. She shouldn't be there, and people cheering her on just because she is British are undermining their own team's anti-doping policy.

As for the testing procedures being "ridiculous", no, they are not. Everyone else on the British team managed to avoid missing three tests, as did thousands of other Olympic athletes. As I explained above, out of competition tests are the most important element of the testing regime. The ones in competition are mostly for show. Cheats miss out of competition tests because they don't want to be tested while detectable substances are still in their body. It's a perfectly rational thing to do if the test is likely to catch you. The first couple of times you don't even get a ban. Even a third time the competition ban is shorter than it is for a positive test.

Innocent until proven guilty? I hate to break it to some of you, but she has in fact been proven guilty.
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That's interesting - but again not conclusive proof that she did take drugs.

Also why not post something like this to begin with rather than an inflammatory first post criticising us for being "blinded" by national pride?
 
Nigel Irritable said:
This kind of comment is all too common from people who don't understand how drug testing works. The tests, particularly in-competition tests, only catch the stupid, the unlucky or the desperate. That's because many drugs are undetectable and even most of the detectable ones (particularly various forms steroids) are taken mostly during out of competition periods, when testing is less frequent.

This particular athlete was not banned for missing a test. She was banned for missing three out of competition tests, which is considered firm enough evidence of doping by pretty much every sport to land you a ban. Get that? Not one test. Not two tests. Three of them. She is a drug cheat, just as much as someone caught with anabolic steroids in their piss, or someone who never tests positive but who gets done for tampering with a sample.

Far from thinking, as some idiot above suggests, that there is something wrong with winning a medal for Britain, I actually think that Britain is one of the few countries which operates a correct policy of banning anyone done for a doping offence from competing at the Olympics. Ohuruogo used the Court of Arbitration to circumvent that ban. She shouldn't be there, and people cheering her on just because she is British are undermining their own team's anti-doping policy.

As for the testing procedures being "ridiculous", no, they are not. Everyone else on the British team managed to avoid missing three tests, as did thousands of other Olympic athletes. As I explained above, out of competition tests are the most important element of the testing regime. The ones in competition are mostly for show. Cheats miss out of competition tests because they don't want to be tested while detectable substances are still in their body. It's a perfectly rational thing to do if the test is likely to catch you. The first couple of times you don't even get a ban. Even a third time the competition ban is shorter than it is for a positive test.

Innocent until proven guilty? I hate to break it to some of you, but she has in fact been proven guilty.
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Funny how WADP, UKA and the BOA backed her to be there though isnt it? :rolleyes: But what do they know? You know better clearly.
 
Melinda said:
Jessie dog has been posting that all over the place. Its getting irritating.
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First time I've posted it, but it certainly bears repeating in a track-and-field thread.


The Games are totally fucked up - politically, financially, socially and drugwise.

Sad.

:(


Woof
 
TrippyLondoner said:
Ok, all those who ain't enjoying it,, get the fuck out, thanks.
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im enjoying it, just not naive to think that there aren't numerous people taking part with an advantage of off season drug taking, and not naive enough to get upset when someone suggest 'one of ours' doesn't have something dodgy about her testing history.
 
Melinda said:
You dont know my girl!

She is is built like a warrior, she wasnt going to let that get away from her!

My heart is just beating in my ears!

Apparently her entire family are out there to watch!
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She was amazing! I lost it in the gym and shouted her on...I got a few strange looks:oops::D
 
Barking_Mad said:
im enjoying it, just not naive to think that there aren't numerous people taking part with an advantage of off season drug taking, and not naive enough to get upset when someone suggest 'one of ours' doesn't have something dodgy about her testing history.
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If she tests positive for something we can deal with it then surely?

I don't think anyone on the thread is naive, optimistic yes, head in the sand no.
 
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