DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
These people are twats
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FridgeMagnet
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That is incredibly embarrassing.
I guess the problem with having a structure-less organisation that anyone can effectively be part of is that numpties can make incredibly immature political statements and everyone under the umbrella gets tarred with it. They're probably best just sticking with DDOS attacks until they can allocate someone with a couple of brain cells to communicate their aims.
kenny g
Sheeple Awake!
I am not Anonymous- obviously, as I am Kenny G- BUT their way of hive mind collaboration has achieved more interesting results in the last couple of years than ten years or so of U75'ers coming on here to rip shreds out of each other.
If parts of what has been produced is crap then get involved and contribute to improving the next. I think quite a bit of their propoganda is considerably better than much of what else is out there. i.e http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Drx8cwG-aKE&feature=player_embedded#!
At 7.00 it even mentions getting a wrench- are these the new captain ludds?
If parts of what has been produced is crap then get involved and contribute to improving the next. I think quite a bit of their propoganda is considerably better than much of what else is out there. i.e http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Drx8cwG-aKE&feature=player_embedded#!
At 7.00 it even mentions getting a wrench- are these the new captain ludds?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
The propaganda thinks it is communiques of relevance from a faceless mass. It's not. It's painful posturing and the example upthread is chock-full of allusions to the brand of right libertarian shit that has no place at all in a movement that hopes to be progressive, relevant and opposed to the people who take rather than make. Shit like that is of no use to any fucker except 'channers wanking over themselves
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
legal fetishists- once you start looking and believing in laws and rights as something abstracted from the context of class society it isn't a great leap to think these rights are granted by the big beard in the sky
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
What results?
kenny g
Sheeple Awake!
ffs- mentioning divine rights doesn't automatically make someone a religious nut job.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
What are "divine rights"?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
divine rights are granted by a divinity, so if you invoke them in any context it sort of does mean that you are appealing to a deity. It might not mean 'religious nut job' but it does mean you think these rights are abstract from class society and granted by god(s).
kenny g
Sheeple Awake!
nonsense on stilts and all that- so I guess you are against human rights as they are abstract from class society?
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
well he is a stalinist
DotCommunist
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except that they aren't, are they?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
List girl. List.
Dr Dolittle
Slightly loony
If the camp had been at Canary Wharf, assuming they hadn't been forced off within an hour, would it have made as much inpact as the St Paul's camp? I doubt it. It wasn't aimed at the Cathedral, of course, but the clashes that came about has kept this event all over the media, and resulted in two major resignations. They have got more than they bargained for. Fortune can come from the most unexpected places. Que sera sera? (Well, it did all start in Spain.)
claphamboy
The wheels on the bus go round and round....
Corax
Luke 5:16
Quoting your post below because a phrase you used stimulated the thought C66 - not attacking your post.
It's all good that there are those that are dedicated enough to educate themselves to the level that some on here have/do. It's all good that the sophistication of thought that those people offer exists, and is shared. But the truth is that until people are being loaded into cattle trucks, the majority will find that everyday life and other passions dissuade from that depth of learning.
That those 'numpties' care should be celebrated IMO, and the challenge is to channel their energy, rather than to dismiss it. It's likely that amongst them there are those that possess thoughts and ideas that all could learn from as well, rather than just being base units there to be educated.
As always, these things seem to become polarised. Over the years it's seemed to me that in some places there's been an increasing polarisation between the dedicated researcher/campaigner, and the more casual elements. This may just be my perception, I really don't know. It's a waste anyway, whether it's a growing phenomenon or not.
Those 'numpties' will likely be making those statements with good intent, and from principles that others would empathise with.
It's all good that there are those that are dedicated enough to educate themselves to the level that some on here have/do. It's all good that the sophistication of thought that those people offer exists, and is shared. But the truth is that until people are being loaded into cattle trucks, the majority will find that everyday life and other passions dissuade from that depth of learning.
That those 'numpties' care should be celebrated IMO, and the challenge is to channel their energy, rather than to dismiss it. It's likely that amongst them there are those that possess thoughts and ideas that all could learn from as well, rather than just being base units there to be educated.
As always, these things seem to become polarised. Over the years it's seemed to me that in some places there's been an increasing polarisation between the dedicated researcher/campaigner, and the more casual elements. This may just be my perception, I really don't know. It's a waste anyway, whether it's a growing phenomenon or not.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
But no - being serious now - it's not a question of being "for" or "against" human rights. Human rights can't and don't exist outside a class context and there is little doubt that if they seriously threatened the bourgeoisie rule they would be done away with. You also need to look at the context of what human rights are seen as as rights, and this is one sense in which the stalinists are correct (well, sort of 
). For example, the right to have a job, to a living wage, to not starve to death in the street, to healthcare, to have a roof over ones head etc, are not seen by Amnesty International and similar as "human rights" and are not campaigned upon by these organisations. Why not? Why are these not the sort of thing we see as human rights?
In addition the concept of universal human rights is something that can change and the definitions of these things that are already laid out can change according to the conditions, especially things like the right to protest, the right to vote, the right to freedom of association etc. The problem with the conventional discourse is that they are viewed as something that is unchanging in their definition (untrue) and something that is granted by the EU / UN / God etc rather than having been fought for. All the things that we take for granted now are concessions that were won by collective action or else of a necessity by the ruling class to stave off social unrest, reduce the likelihood of strikes, weaken protest movements (of the left AND to a lesser extent the right).
). For example, the right to have a job, to a living wage, to not starve to death in the street, to healthcare, to have a roof over ones head etc, are not seen by Amnesty International and similar as "human rights" and are not campaigned upon by these organisations. Why not? Why are these not the sort of thing we see as human rights?In addition the concept of universal human rights is something that can change and the definitions of these things that are already laid out can change according to the conditions, especially things like the right to protest, the right to vote, the right to freedom of association etc. The problem with the conventional discourse is that they are viewed as something that is unchanging in their definition (untrue) and something that is granted by the EU / UN / God etc rather than having been fought for. All the things that we take for granted now are concessions that were won by collective action or else of a necessity by the ruling class to stave off social unrest, reduce the likelihood of strikes, weaken protest movements (of the left AND to a lesser extent the right).
shaman75
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Just seen this too:
Just seen this too:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/oct/31/corporation-london-city-medieval
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Anyone seen pics or video of the direct action/flash mob dance-arama this evening that road blocked Bank, Liverpool street on the way back to LFS from LSX?
DotCommunist
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I won't break my anti like vow but that is fair close to my thinking wrt human rights frogwoman. They aren't abstract from class society- how the hell could they be?
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
That almost made me do a like.
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