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gabi said:
Honestly? There are far more effective ways of changing the world. I genuinely think the ruling classes are welcoming this current 'movement'.
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No there are not. There is no effective way of changing the world in the context you mean it.. unless you count blowing it up. Or inventing the telephone or somesuch.

That's the basic problem... the lie that there are effective and democratic ways to change the world. Bullshit. There aren't.

That why you are wrong... the ruling classes do not welcome this movement. The don't understand it, can't strategise effectively against it and have no idea of it's source. It targets the thing they covet the most... land - space.
 
When is Rowan Williams going to say something...

Oh, and anyone crowing about the resignations, they will lose their home, etc, the bishops of Sheffield i knew got 12'000 a year..
 
treelover said:
When is Rowan Williams going to say something...
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The Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, said he was sad to hear the news of Dean Knowles' resignation.

"The events of the last couple of weeks have shown very clearly how decisions made in good faith by good people under unusual pressure can have utterly unforeseen and unwelcome consequences, and the clergy of St Paul's deserve our understanding in these circumstances," he said.

He added that the wider issues raised by the protesters "remain very much on the table".
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bbc coverage
 
btw, Chartres who is taking over negotiations is a Tory..

oh, and all the religions seem to be getting on the OSLX bandwagon..
 
we need more like this, i think this movement is now touching a nerve with many WC people

'we want solution and action now, i am taking action e.g i am a painter and decorator from the u.k i will not name my company but here goes, i am charging cooperations that pay there employees minimum wages and there bosses get massive 70% pay increases full rate for my tradesman-ship, i do this for 4 days a week and with the other days i have spare i work on gratitude for people ho are really stru...ggling e.g single mother going to work everyday paying child support who have no time to make there home look nice, old people that have had there pensions taken from them that they were promised, lets beat the system and if we all try we will see a drastic change. peace
we have to learn to adapt and take advantage of the system as it is now to make change for the future.'
 
treelover said:
we need more like this, i think this movement is now touching a nerve with many WC people

'we want solution and action now, i am taking action e.g i am a painter and decorator from the u.k i will not name my company but here goes, i am charging cooperations that pay there employees minimum wages and there bosses get massive 70% pay increases full rate for my tradesman-ship, i do this for 4 days a week and with the other days i have spare i work on gratitude for people ho are really stru...ggling e.g single mother going to work everyday paying child support who have no time to make there home look nice, old people that have had there pensions taken from them that they were promised, lets beat the system and if we all try we will see a drastic change. peace
we have to learn to adapt and take advantage of the system as it is now to make change for the future.'
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Does that include single fathers cus I could really do with my hall repapering :D
 
god gabi you really are fucking dense!
why don't you go down there and put em straight seeing as you have the answers
jeez
 
gabi said:
Just a mildly amusing take on the situation at St Pauls. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Let me try and clear up the confusions you are labouring under.

The occupation is at St Paul's because that's where it started, it couldn't move to Paternoster sq, then it got coralled by police. We were powerless to take the place we wanted against the police so the best option seemed to be to stay where there weren't lines of mounted police wanting to beat us round the head. The current location is a result of powerlessness and pragmatism.

For the tenth time, Canary Wharf is private land - there is not one inch of public land in the area, not even the roads. It has what amounts to a private police force, with backup from the real police always arriving very quickly. A camp would last ten minutes.

As for the protest bothering the clergy. You have clearly not been paying attention to why this is causing such rifts at St Pauls. This may help you:
http://www.stpauls.co.uk/Support-St-Pauls/Our-Supporters
http://www.stpauls.co.uk/Support-St-Pauls/Corporate-Partnerships
Still worried about bothering the clergy?
 
Brainaddict said:
For the tenth time, Canary Wharf is private land - there is not one inch of public land in the area, not even the roads. It has what amounts to a private police force, with backup from the real police always arriving very quickly. A camp would last ten minutes.
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So what if it's private land? Do it anyway. The fact that Canary Wharf and Paternoster Sq is private is a scandal in itself, and not something anyone should be scared of trespassing over.

besides, it's looking like you'll be evicted anyway, even if you're in public. If it weren't for the generosity of a few elements within the Church of England you'd already be gone. Would you rather not get evicted from Canary Wharf or LSX than be evicted from St. Pauls?

I understand the reason for going to St Pauls, and I think it served a purpose whilst it lasted, but wasn't it meant to be a temporary thing until a proper occupation sire could be sorted out? Furthermore, this debate with St.Pauls and the CoE is starting to overshadow the issues the protest is designed to draw attention to. The occupation itself is becoming the news story, instead of the behaviour of banks and financial services.
 
ANONYMOUS has been exposing corrupt and dubious organisations, groups and individuals for a while. However, there are those who still continue to act in unlawful and harmful ways towards the people, whether they be in the UK or around the world. The British Government is no exception!

On the evening of the 5th November, 2011, at 6pm, ANONYMOUS is calling for its supporters and thousands of others who adhere to peace, freedom ...and 'real' justice to converge outside the Houses of Parliament, in a peaceful gathering - for all the world to see - to let the Government know the error of its ways and demand appropriate action is taken by them to rectify their corrupt and perverted ways. There will be Leafleting, Speeches, Sharing facts & figures, "Free-Hugs", all in a peaceful manner (yet remaining non-compliant with any and all unlawful legislation) that is the ANONYMOUS way.

David Cameron, PM, recently stated that he and his Government are considering outlawing the wearing of ‘face-coverings’ and make it a criminal offense if worn during 'public gatherings'. ANONYMOUS begs to differ! ANONYMOUS does not consent to this unlawful 'ACT' against the people! ANONYMOUS asks the British Prime Minister to reconsider this knee-jerk reaction to recent criminal events on the streets across the UK.

In light of this fact, ANONYMOUS would warmly welcome members of any and all faiths and cultures, especially women, who wear garments that cover their faces, either partially or completely. ANONYMOUS reminds the people that (if we are to believe the official version of events) the war-on-terror was (allegedly) carried out by terrorists, ALL of whom had their faces on show at all times during the attacks on 9/11 and 7/7! Indeed, if we are to believe the official version of events, they even carried ID cards! ANONYMOUS also reminds the people that the Police wear face-coverings during public gatherings.

A message from ANONYMOUS to the Government:
This gathering is planned and is intended to be a totally peaceful event, 100% lawful and in full compliance with COMMON LAW at all times. ANONYMOUS assures the Government that it does not intend there being violence whatsoever at any time! ANONYMOUS does not condone violence AT ALL (it never has). British Government, you appear to be rather concerned at the moment about the growing number of empowered British people. This has only been achieved through the open and honest education of people by free-thinking members of society with facts rather than corporate, state-sponsored, spin! This is a very good thing, as the people should not be afraid of their Governments, Governments should be afraid of their people. So, naturally, ANONYMOUS expects that there will be the usual ‘under-cover’ Government agents and ‘agent-provocateurs’ mingling amongst us, attempting to undermine this peaceful gathering and, in doing so, help to ultimately assist you - the Government - in being able to justify the implementation of Martial Law and yet further erosion of our basic Common Law and Divine rights... ANONYMOUS knows the score! However, ANONYMOUS will no longer tolerate the oppression of people by the very Governments who are put in place to support and protect the people.

A message from ANONYMOUS to the British Police:
Bearing in mind that you are sworn to uphold COMMON LAW, you are most welcome to facilitate this gathering by all of the peaceful means at your disposal. Indeed, ANONYMOUS extends a warm, welcome to you all in the hope that you may even join with us on the night and learn what is really going, things which your Government and your corporate mainstream media refuse to tell you about! However, we also ask that you, the Police, keep your oaths very clearly in mind and do not cross the line and become violent.

The 5th November 2011 is crunch time! After this date, ANONYMOUS will expect better from their, so called, ‘leaders’. ANONYMOUS is world-wide. ANONYMOUS has no leaders and there is no central organisation or individual running this 'idea'. Our numbers are so great now, that they cannot be counted! We are, quite simply, UNSTOPPABLE.

ANONYMOUS:
United as ONE
Divided by ZERO
We are Legion
We do not forgive
We do not forget
EXPECT US!!!
www.whatis-theplan.org
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ANONYMOUS reminds the people that (if we are to believe the official version of events) the war-on-terror was (allegedly) carried out by terrorists, ALL of whom had their faces on show at all times during the attacks on 9/11 and 7/7! Indeed
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They need to have another glance at that sentence before this goes to press.
 
Good luck to Anonymous in their gathering on Nov 5th outside Parliament. There could be fireworks, but not perhaps anything to do with Anonymous. There will be lots of people around, but then it will be rush hour. As for an appeal to the police to defend 'COMMON LAW', they don't realise that the concept is American and has no meaning in the UK. The Police serve their masters and do their bidding.
 
just passing the info on... they have almost 1500 signed up to their FB event... so you can divide that by a good ten...
tbh: I'm more interested in the 'declared' attack on Faux news websites that day...
 
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