#occupy London....

[DotCommunist]

1. Liberty are establishment liberal hacks who want to negotiate surrender on any terms- are you willing to have your momentum hamstrung by such people?

2 You've let the mouthy managerial dictate the flow- perhaps sort that out a bit as it is structure over substance

[just redacting BA's points there. feel free to call me a twat if I've misrepresented what you mean fella]
For my ownself I'd like you to ask them how they consider gaining union support and if they recognize that the struggle agaist cuts and job losses opposed by the unions are relevant to the cause of the 99%

 

[Treacle Toes]

So far:

Please quote and add to this list below:

1: How about occupying libraries or other services under threat of closure?

2: How can people how are not able to attend meetings/the camps have a greater say in where the protest/occupation is going in order to make it more representative of the 99%?

3: Can the livestream be improved?

4: How does the occupation consider gaining union support?

5: Does the occupation recognise that the struggle against cuts and job losses opposed by the unions are relevant to the cause of the 99?

Awaiting BA redaction or agreement to dc's redaction on two points.

 

[Corax]

One thing it has achieved is to move some of the big arguments into 'the national debate'. It's being talked about.

Unfortunately, I think the overriding noise so far is 'bloody protesters, blocking the bloody thoroughfare, grumblegrumblegrumble'.

 

[AKA pseudonym]

So far:

Please quote and add to this list below:

1: How about occupying libraries or other services under threat of closure?

2: How can people how are not able to attend meetings/the camps have a greater say in where the protest/occupation is going in order to make it more representative of the 99%?

3: Can the livestream be improved?

4: How does the occupation consider gaining union support?

5: Does the occupation recognise that the struggle against cuts and job losses opposed by the unions are relevant to the cause of the 99?

Awaiting BA redaction or agreement to dc's redaction on two points.

6: How do we engage and involve our street/homeless community on a level parity and use this campaign to highlight blatant poverty issues*..

*( to this end I believe some of our Whad n Wham crews are engaged in securing 'GA meeting/university slots etc in London)

 

[Corax]

One thing it has achieved is to move some of the big arguments into 'the national debate'. It's being talked about.

Unfortunately, I think the overriding noise so far is 'bloody protesters, blocking the bloody thoroughfare, grumblegrumblegrumble'.

On this point, maybe

7. How can the media attention on the camps be used to swing the focus on to the reasons for the protest rather than the protest itself?

 

[Treacle Toes]

So far:

Please quote and add to this list below:

1. How about occupying libraries or other services under threat of closure?

2. How can people how are not able to attend meetings/the camps have a greater say in where the protest/occupation is going in order to make it more representative of the 99%?

3. Can the livestream be improved?

4. How does the occupation consider gaining union support?

5. Does the occupation recognise that the struggle against cuts and job losses opposed by the unions are relevant to the cause of the 99?

6. How do we engage and involve our street/homeless community on a level parity and use this campaign to highlight blatant poverty issues?

7. How can the media attention on the camps be used to swing the focus on to the reasons for the protest rather than the protest itself?


Awaiting BA redaction or agreement to dc's redaction on two points.

 

[DotCommunist]

One thing it has achieved is to move some of the big arguments into 'the national debate'. It's being talked about.

Unfortunately, I think the overriding noise so far is 'bloody protesters, blocking the bloody thoroughfare, grumblegrumblegrumble'.

Because it isn't coalescing ito any kind of concrete line as evidenced so far- no I haven't been there and yes I do wish them all power to their arms- but just being there is goig to have to become more than just being there PDQ else they'll become a tolerated irrelevance or a forcibly cleared footnote in history.

Like it or not the apolitical stance of 'why won't guvnor behave' needs to become something more. I'm only saying this as an observer from THE INTERNETS but I do worry that this is dominated by people who still believe they'll be listened to if they just chant loudly enough and get the bad capitlists to stop being bad.

I'm willing to be convinced otherwise, I'm hoping to be convinced otherwise- but at the moment it all seems a bit...gesture. If that makes any sense.

 

[Corax]

Because it isn't coalescing ito any kind of concrete line as evidenced so far- no I haven't been there and yes I do wish them all power to their arms- but just being there is goig to have to become more than just being there PDQ else they'll become a tolerated irrelevance or a forcibly cleared footnote in history.

Like it or not the apolitical stance of 'why won't guvnor behave' needs to become something more. I'm only saying this as an observer from THE INTERNETS but I do worry that this is dominated by people who still believe they'll be listened to if they just chant loudly enough and get the bad capitlists to stop being bad.

I'm willing to be convinced otherwise, I'm hoping to be convinced otherwise- but at the moment it all seems a bit...gesture. If that makes any sense.

I know you don't like 'Likes', so I'll say that that articulates my gut feelings about it more coherently than I would have done myself.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Lots of suggestion for temporary blockades and permenant direct actions at specific places in London at the GA being livestreamed right now.

Monday, support the squatting protest...

 

[ddraig]

can u post a link please?
tis just people in a caff on http://www.livestream.com/occupylsx
and some speculation about a 'reggae artist' coming on

 

[Treacle Toes]

can u post a link please?
tis just people in a caff on http://www.livestream.com/occupylsx
and some speculation about a 'reggae artist' coming on

Yeah..bloody thing has gone down again...

 

[ddraig]

working now and sound ok

 

[love detective]

Lots of suggestion for temporary blockades and permenant direct actions at specific places in London at the GA being livestreamed right now.

this may sound like the complete opposite of my criticism from yesterday - but you should be careful about discussing this kind of thing (especially in any kind of detail, specifics etc..) in large public open meetings

 

[Treacle Toes]

this may sound like the complete opposite of my criticism from yesterday - but you should be careful about discussing this kind of thing (especially in any kind of detail, specifics etc..) in large public open meetings

Yeah, that is true, that's why no targets were mentioned in the GA. Just the fact that they should be/are being planned.

 

[Treacle Toes]

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[Treacle Toes]

Live stream back up...doing shout outs now/open mic.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Roots manuva interviewed on live stream? Not quite a concert.

 

[Corax]

It'd daytime on the livestream thing.

Am I taking "live" too literally?

 

[claphamboy]

It'd daytime on the livestream thing.

Am I taking "live" too literally?

They are rolling back the darkness of real life!

 

[Treacle Toes]

It'd daytime on the livestream thing.

Am I taking "live" too literally?

Heh! Must be a vid from earlier in the day.

 

[Gramsci]

I was down there on Saturday. Saw some of the midday GA.

The tech people were asking for support for the Livestream. Anyone who can offer 3G dongles or BT spot. Its getting expensive to do Livestream.

 

[Gramsci]

As for the GA on SA midday. Ive read the last two pages posts. I can see why some posters are skeptical. However the atmosphere at the GA was good.

All things considered to have two occupations in the centre of The City is something in itself.

I can admire the time and energy thats been put into keeping the OLs going.

For me when I cycle around the City its good to see them there. Its been pissing me off cycling around the City recently. Everythings hunky-dory in The City. No cuts there. It the rest of us who are going to suffer.

 

[Corax]

I was done there on Saturday.

Fake rolex?

 

[Gramsci]

Fake rolex?

Sorry do u mean my Avatar? Its a gold ring.

 

[Corax]

Sorry do u mean my Avatar? Its a gold ring.

No, I was just being hilarious about your minor typo Gramsci. Ignore me. I try to.

 

[Gramsci]

Couple of shots of GA on Sat. During the meeting a Wedding was on the steps. The meeting stopped to wish the newly married best wishes and everyone at meeting applauded them. A nice touch I thought. Looked to me that the wedding party appreciated the good humoured response of Occupiers.

 

[treelover]

Would i be correct in surmising there are a fair few ex Greenham Common women at OLSX?

 

[Brainaddict]

1. Liberty are establishment liberal hacks who want to negotiate surrender on any terms- are you willing to have your momentum hamstrung by such people?

2 You've let the mouthy managerial dictate the flow- perhaps sort that out a bit as it is structure over substance

[just redacting BA's points there. feel free to call me a twat if I've misrepresented what you mean fella]
For my ownself I'd like you to ask them how they consider gaining union support and if they recognize that the struggle agaist cuts and job losses opposed by the unions are relevant to the cause of the 99%

You're not misrepresenting what I mean but there is a slight lack of tact in those points

A summary:

Liberty want to end the confrontation caused by the occupation, but when you disagree with the people in power, confrontation is likely and probably useful. Ignore Liberty.

The formal structures of the camp limit the ways people interact and take up a lot of energy. These will not be the long-term legacy of the occupation so try to reduce the amount of time spent on them.

 

[Gramsci]

The formal structures of the camp limit the ways people interact and take up a lot of energy. These will not be the long-term legacy of the occupation so try to reduce the amount of time spent on them.

Its like a small village up at St Pauls (not forgetting Finsbury sq). Just keeping the place going takes a lot of work. Part of the point is to show that things can be done on a cooperative basis. That there is another way of doing things.

What could concern me is a divide building between those who do the politics and those who keep the place functioning.

On a practical note if there are 2 Assemblies a day - at one and seven- then a lot of time is a spent on meetings. Eats into a lot of the day.

 

[Gramsci]

This is what Liberty say

http://www.liberty-human-rights.org...-talks-over-occupy-london-stock-exchange-.php

Depends on what the OL people want. Its not clear to me whether they want to try and stay indefinitely ( like at Parliament sq) or until Xmas.

It not clear to me if this Occupy London camp is there to start to build connections and a movement. And once this is achieved to close camp on there own terms.

If OL want to stay until Xmas and then disband the camp then talks would stave off time and energy consuming legal action.