NUS national protest against the cuts 10.11.10 [London]

[revlon]

Daily Mirror supports the rioters:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/columnists/routledge/

As do the readers of the Daily Star:



http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/162571/David-Cameron-Riot-students-will-be-caught-/

Fuck the union bureaucrats and "respectable" so called "leftists" that "condemned" the "violence". Anybody who even uses the langauge of "condemnation" is most likely a fucking twat in the first place.

that itn footage on the star site - cameron in voiceover earnestly states "they [the police] were extremely brave in the face of some pretty violent behaviour" as the footage cuts to a riot cop kicking the shit out of a studet curled up on the ground, then picks up another the hurls him down to the ground after him.

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

All right. Fine. pk and db are both banned for the weekend for calling people cunts after it was posted that anyone calling anyone else a cunt would be banned for the weekend.

thank fuck for the unexpected outbreak of complete common sense.

 

[revol68]

I do think it should be noted how the thread got back on track once Detective Boy was banned, he reduces all threads into "poor me" whinges cos shock horror most people on Urban have little time for the apologetics of a pig.

Why doesn't he fuck off to cop forums or something?

 

[editor]

I do think it should be noted how the thread got back on track once Detective Boy was banned, he reduces all threads into "poor me" whinges cos shock horror most people on Urban have little time for the apologetics of a pig.

Why doesn't he fuck off to cop forums or something?

And you think this shit-stirring personal attack is just what's needed to keep it on track, so you?

You're behaving every bit as badly as him here.

 

[where to]

you've not been posting much since he was banned either though

personally i sometimes find his police info and perspective quite interesting/ useful.

[@ revol 68]

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

And you think this shit-stirring personal attack is just what's needed to keep it on track, so you?

You're behaving every bit as badly as him here.

he has got a point tbh, at least on the first half.

 

[revol68]

And you think this shit-stirring personal attack is just what's needed to keep it on track, so you?

You're behaving every bit as badly as him here.

screw the behaviour, what is this a church coffee morning?

what matters is the politics.

I'd have thought the actions of the students might have helped you find your political balls.

Why you let a cop on here to disrail and spread disinformation is beyond me.

Talking of which did you see your chum Paddock out attacking the protesters? That prick is more hateful than your average pig because he is the velvet glove for the iron fist.

 

[editor]

Why you let a cop on here to disrail and spread disinformation is beyond me.

Ah, I see. You don't want the board rules about personal attacks to apply to you, and you also want to censor and ban posters based on your own personal politics. How very progressive.

Talking of which did you see your chum Paddock out attacking the protesters?

His name is 'Paddick' and he's not my 'chum.'

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

Ah, I see. You don't want the board rules about personal attacks to apply to you, and you also want to censor and ban posters based on your own personal politics. How very progressive.
His name is 'Paddick' and he's not my 'chum.'

 

[dylans]

And you think this shit-stirring personal attack is just what's needed to keep it on track, so you?

You're behaving every bit as badly as him here.

Here here

what matters is the politics.

Indeed. Something you should remember and leave out the childish "fuck off pig" remarks which serve no purpose whatsoever. You are just as responsible for derailing this thread. Get over yourself

thanks for your concerned attempts to protect us all from "disinformation" by censoring what we can read but I will make up my own mind and respond accordingly thanks

 

[revol68]

I don't think a constant and deliberate and political motivated derailer/professional victim like detective boy should be allowed to spread disinformation in productive threads about resisting these waves of cuts.

As for me wanting him banned, well I'd rather you banned a hideous and explicitly anti working class troll like him for his motives and politics, instead arbitrarily coming in and introducing a ban on calling someone a cunt. Like you said threads like this are too important to be derailed and I that is what detective boy seeks to do, he wants to push every thread into a blind alley of legalism, a channel which automatically castrates any real opposition to these cuts. Banning him for that is more progressive, justifiable and in my mind more useful than banning him for calling someone a cunt.

I'm aware it's "Paddick", Paddock was a failed attempt to play on the fact he is full of shit, and no he's not your chum that was a low dig at the fact you entertained the piece of shit for reasons lost on me.

 

[revol68]

and yes I'm aware that me giving dogs abuse to detective boy and complaining about his presence in a sense is derailing the but thread too, but I do so in the hope that he will be excluded or flonce and so be ultimately worth it.

 

[dylans]

give it a rest for fucks sakes

 

[editor]

I'm aware it's "Paddick", Paddock was a failed attempt to play on the fact he is full of shit, and no he's not your chum that was a low dig at the fact you entertained the piece of shit for reasons lost on me.

He actually contributed to some of the best discussions we've ever had in the Brixton forum and it's a shame that your blind and blanket hatred of anything police-related can't see past that.

Just because posters here engaged in that debate with him, that doesn't make them pro-police or anything else.

This thread is already being dragged off topic again, so if you want to discuss why he was able to post on urban75, please start a new thread.

And, once again, I would ask posters to refrain from repeated and relentless personal attacks and discuss the politics here. These are the rules of this board and they apply to everyone.

 

[revol68]

I'd actually be more interested in hearing the thoughts of a straight up typical cop than a sneaky slithering git like Paddock, like I said he's just the velvet glove and he's let the mask fully slip with his comments on the protesters.

Anyway regarding Pig Boy I'd rather you banned him from these kind of threads for political reasons rather than jumping in and arbitrarily putting a ban on the next use of the cunt word, afterall the cunt word wasn't really the problem, it was the fact he was determined to derail the thread into a) a deadend of legalistic bullshit and/or b) his usual "everyone is ganging up on me" bleating.

I'll say something for Pig Boy though he certainly is capable of bringing posters who normally dislike each other together.

That's my last post on the issue on this thread, I just hope you give some thought to the role of these sort of political threads and what they should be aiming towards.

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

He actually contributed to some of the best discussions we've ever had in the Brixton forum and it's a shame that your blind and blanket hatred of anything police-related can't see past that.

Just because posters here engaged in that debate with him, that doesn't make them pro-police or anything else.

This thread is already being dragged off topic again, so if you want to discuss why he was able to post on urban75, please start a new thread.

And, once again, I would ask posters to refrain from repeated and relentless personal attacks and discuss the politics here. These are the rules of this board and they apply to everyone.

this took me 2 minutes to compile.

No Collective.

No circle jerk.

No tag team.

Not here! Oh no!

Why don't you fuck off?

You're an idiot.

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

anyway, students eh?

 

[fractionMan]

Is nobody else a claire solomon fanboy then?

I think the contrast between her and that useless labour aarron porter is pretty striking.

 

[radio_atomica]

I don't think a constant and deliberate and political motivated derailer/professional victim like detective boy should be allowed to spread disinformation in productive threads about resisting these waves of cuts.

As for me wanting him banned, well I'd rather you banned a hideous and explicitly anti working class troll like him for his motives and politics, instead arbitrarily coming in and introducing a ban on calling someone a cunt. Like you said threads like this are too important to be derailed and I that is what detective boy seeks to do, he wants to push every thread into a blind alley of legalism, a channel which automatically castrates any real opposition to these cuts. Banning him for that is more progressive, justifiable and in my mind more useful than banning him for calling someone a cunt.

I'm aware it's "Paddick", Paddock was a failed attempt to play on the fact he is full of shit, and no he's not your chum that was a low dig at the fact you entertained the piece of shit for reasons lost on me.

If you can form a reasonable argument, based on and backed up with facts, against any point that he puts forward, it doesn't matter whether he comes round to your way of thinking, anyone else reading that discourse will see that your side of the argument is balanced and sensible, and potentially come round to your way of thinking. Open and transparent debate will ultimately show the bullshitters from the people who've actually got somethin sensible to say for themselves. Unfortunately, saying 'fuck off pig' undermines your argument and him calling people a cunt and madzone a 'lying bitch' undermines his argument. This tends to result in a bit of a cluster fuck that just pisses everyone else off.

If what he is saying is soooo wrong and rubbish, just counter it with a proper argument, ffs. You're not exactly giving a good impression of either yourself or anyone else on the left really, are you?

 

[The Black Hand]

Very good Revol - you've said something on the money at last.

I don't think a constant and deliberate and political motivated derailer/professional victim like detective boy should be allowed to spread disinformation in productive threads about resisting these waves of cuts.

As for me wanting him banned, well I'd rather you banned a hideous and explicitly anti working class troll like him for his motives and politics, instead arbitrarily coming in and introducing a ban on calling someone a cunt. Like you said threads like this are too important to be derailed and I that is what detective boy seeks to do, he wants to push every thread into a blind alley of legalism, a channel which automatically castrates any real opposition to these cuts. Banning him for that is more progressive, justifiable and in my mind more useful than banning him for calling someone a cunt.

I'm aware it's "Paddick", Paddock was a failed attempt to play on the fact he is full of shit, and no he's not your chum that was a low dig at the fact you entertained the piece of shit for reasons lost on me.

 

[butchersapron]

If you can form a reasonable argument, based on and backed up with facts, against any point that he puts forward, it doesn't matter whether he comes round to your way of thinking, anyone else reading that discourse will see that your side of the argument is balanced and sensible, and potentially come round to your way of thinking. Open and transparent debate will ultimately show the bullshitters from the people who've actually got somethin sensible to say for themselves. Unfortunately, saying 'fuck off pig' undermines your argument and him calling people a cunt and madzone a 'lying bitch' undermines his argument. This tends to result in a bit of a cluster fuck that just pisses everyone else off.

If what he is saying is soooo wrong and rubbish, just counter it with a proper argument, ffs. You're not exactly giving a good impression of either yourself or anyone else on the left really, are you?

I take it you don't read p&p where he has destroyed all hope of having any discussion of law and order type debates despite being taken apart time after time in the manner you suggest?

 

[radio_atomica]

I take it you don't read p&p where he has destroyed all hope of having any discussion of law and order type debates despite being taken apart time after time in the manner you suggest?

So if he can't engage in a sensible debate why not just walk away from it? What purpose does name calling serve other than to make the people doing it look like nobs?

 

[fractionMan]

So if he can't engage in a sensible debate why not just walk away from it? What purpose does name calling serve other than to make the people doing it look like nobs?

Because it disrupts decent discussion. You can't walk away from it without walking away from the discussion. The way this thread degenerated is a good example.

 

[radio_atomica]

Because it disrupts decent discussion. You can't walk away from it without walking away from the discussion.

Yes you can. If the person you are attempting to engage with is not being engaged what discussion is there to be had anyway?

 

[The Black Hand]

Because it disrupts decent discussion. You can't walk away from it without walking away from the discussion. The way this thread degenerated is a good example.

True

 

[fractionMan]

Yes you can. If the person you are attempting to engage with is not being engaged what discussion is there to be had anyway?

This thread is not about d_b. He made it about d_b. Discussion ruined.

ducy?

 

[Fedayn]

His name is 'Paddick' and he's not my 'chum.'

So det6ective boy is Brian Paddick then?

Potty mouthed little chap isn't he?! Didn't act like this on 'Come dine with me'.

 

[radio_atomica]

Well that's your opinions and you're entitled to them. Personally I think the best way to deal with pointless attention seeking is just to ignore it and carry on with what you were doing. Perhaps if more people had just done that on this thread, it would have stayed a bit more on topic.

 

[The Black Hand]

If you can form a reasonable argument, based on and backed up with facts, against any point that he puts forward, it doesn't matter whether he comes round to your way of thinking, anyone else reading that discourse will see that your side of the argument is balanced and sensible, and potentially come round to your way of thinking. Open and transparent debate will ultimately show the bullshitters from the people who've actually got somethin sensible to say for themselves. Unfortunately, saying 'fuck off pig' undermines your argument and him calling people a cunt and madzone a 'lying bitch' undermines his argument. This tends to result in a bit of a cluster fuck that just pisses everyone else off.

If what he is saying is soooo wrong and rubbish, just counter it with a proper argument, ffs. You're not exactly giving a good impression of either yourself or anyone else on the left really, are you?

To be honest, this is liberal nonsense. Some people ie cops, are NEVER going to change and thus any input (and Db is a good example) is suspect. You have got to realise that we live in a seriously class divided society, and some people are so immersed in their class positions, some more towards the top (ideologically at least) and some towards the bottom, that expecting 'reasoned discussion' is just a liberal pipe dream.

 

[radio_atomica]

This thread is not about d_b. He made it about d_b. Discussion ruined.

ducy?

then he got banned and it briefly went back on topic. then some more people came back (not d-b) and made it about d-b again. do you see?