NUS national protest against the cuts 10.11.10 [London]

[Pickman's model]

Just find the whole thing quite funny. I guess it's what happens when you turn every portakabin in the UK into a university and let kids in with 2 Ds.

i hope you die under a student surgeon's knife

 

[Vintage Paw]

i hope you die under a student surgeon's knife

That's not very nice That student surgeon will have to live with the guilt (unless they know what gunnerradt is like) for the rest of their lives.

 

[Pickman's model]

That's not very nice That student surgeon will have to live with the guilt (unless they know what gunnerradt is like) for the rest of their lives.

i didn't say 'on the operating table'. and i didn't say 'by mistake'. and i most certainly did not say 'under anesthesia'.

 

[madzone]

Is there anything I could be doing as a student?

 

[Pickman's model]

Is there anything I could be doing as a student?

your coursework.

 

[Vintage Paw]

Is there anything I could be doing as a student?

You could ask your uni's NUS what they are doing, and put pressure on them to organise with the wants of the local student body rather than the national executive. You could speak to other students and try to encourage them to engage in some way, and for them to put pressure on the NUS as well.

 

[winjer]

Oh, brian.

"Taking out and isolating the anarchists should have been a priority."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...l-reason-police-failed-stop-student-riot.html

 

[Maurice Picarda]

Interesting article about the internal politics involved. Shame he doesn't post here any more.

 

[butchersapron]

More FIT teams demands Paddick. Paddick the lib-dem mayoral candidate last time round. When he denounced public sector workers right to strike. I sense a common thread here.

 

[Pickman's model]

Oh, brian.

"Taking out and isolating the anarchists should have been a priority."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...l-reason-police-failed-stop-student-riot.html

i'm surprised you're surprised.

 

[winjer]

I'm only surprised that you've inferred that I'm surprised.

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm only surprised that you've inferred that I'm surprised.

the oh brian bit implied you were surprised. and/or disappointed.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

This Gruan article is pretty decent:

Those who inflict such violence through laws, budgets and the hypocritical language of shared pain feel entitled to demand non-violence. As the basis of protest, non-violence has been perverted from its once effective use as a weapon of the people – with actions such as sit-ins, boycotts, bonfires of goods and picketing – into a subterfuge for rulers, a pious excuse to protect them from the consequences of their actions. When that fails, out come the arrests and intimidation, as with the police hunt for those who occupied the Millbank building. We must not tolerate this demonisation of those who attempted to symbolically reclaim their country. (edit - this ellusion to sybolism is most unfortunate imo - the expressive and catalytic role that property damage (not "violence") can play is the key here)

As resistance to the destruction of our social and economic landscape gathers momentum, we need effective strategies of protest. Civil disobedience – a principled breaking of the law – can be a powerful tool. Genteel rallies do not put sufficient pressure on the political class. Tarnishing justifiably angry young people as thugs will not make the real problem – the violence of the entitled few against the disenfranchised many – magically disappear.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/nov/13/student-fees-protest-the-real-vandals

Oh... and this:

An analysis by the Chartered Institute for Taxation indicates that most graduates will be paying this debt of for the rest of their lives, and incurring a 45% tax rate into the bargain. This is because of the way in which the debt will increase by RPI inflation plus 3% over the years that the graduates pay it back. A teacher, say, starting on £21,000 and seeing his or her salary increase by 5% a year, will end up paying £64,239 over 30 years, and still have an unpaid debt of £26,406.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/comme...r-battle-in-a-looming-new-class-war-1.1067479

Fucking hell.

 

[Pickman's model]

This Gruan article is pretty decent:

only because it makes a few faltering steps towards decent politics.

 

[Vintage Paw]

only because it makes a few faltering steps towards decent politics.

The comments underneath it, however ...

 

[where to]

A teacher, say, starting on £21,000 and seeing his or her salary increase by 5% a year, will end up paying £64,239 over 30 years, and still have an unpaid debt of £26,406.

so the new fees may actually lead to national debt increasing?

 

[Pickman's model]

so the new fees may actually lead to national debt increasing?

yes

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

That's the nature of coalition politics, sometimes things you promised and want as part of your manifesto don't get enacted. It's better to work and try and make the proposals more progressive which is what the party has done. I'm proud of the work Lib Dem MPs have done in improving on the Browne review recomendations, even if I am dissapointed we didn't get elected and couldn't deliver our complete manifesto.

Not read all the thread, but would like to know if your arse was served on a plate over this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/wintour-and-watt/2010/nov/12/nickclegg-danny-alexander

Secret documents show Liberal Democrats drew up plans to drop flagship student pledge before election...

 

[radio_atomica]

yes

It's no secret that the reason for the cuts/fee increases etc are not intended to reduce national debt though.

 

[Pickman's model]

It's no secret that the reason for the cuts/fee increases etc are not intended to reduce national debt though.

which part of 'yes' suggested otherwise?

 

[radio_atomica]

which part of 'yes' suggested otherwise?

I was agreeing with you

 

[Pickman's model]

i've been too long at work

 

[Nylock]

This Gruan article is pretty decent:



http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/nov/13/student-fees-protest-the-real-vandals

Yeah, that is a decent write-up... It's a shame that the comments section which follows is largely populated by the usual fuckwits and morons...

Oh... and this:



http://www.heraldscotland.com/comme...r-battle-in-a-looming-new-class-war-1.1067479

Fucking hell.

That is scary stuff

 

[goebfwai]

With such massive increases in the cost of University study, it is understandable that many students are upset and aggrieved. But the scenes of violence and wanton vandalism seen in London last week (including the appalling act of a fire extinguisher thrown from a roof top, which could have killed a student protestor, journalist or police officer) are not the answer. Follow the path of peace and love as epitomised by notable figures such as Gandhi, Jesus, Mandela, Martin Luther King and Aung Sang Suu Kyi.

 

[creak]

An analysis by the Chartered Institute for Taxation indicates that most graduates will be paying this debt of for the rest of their lives, and incurring a 45% tax rate into the bargain. This is because of the way in which the debt will increase by RPI inflation plus 3% over the years that the graduates pay it back. A teacher, say, starting on £21,000 and seeing his or her salary increase by 5% a year, will end up paying £64,239 over 30 years, and still have an unpaid debt of £26,406.

These are really quite incredible figures.

 

[Blagsta]

With such massive increases in the cost of University study, it is understandable that many students are upset and aggrieved. But the scenes of violence and wanton vandalism seen in London last week (including the appalling act of a fire extinguisher thrown from a roof top, which could have killed a student protestor, journalist or police officer) are not the answer. Follow the path of peace and love as epitomised by notable figures such as Gandhi, Jesus, Mandela, Martin Luther King and Aung Sang Suu Kyi.

 

[revol68]

With such massive increases in the cost of University study, it is understandable that many students are upset and aggrieved. But the scenes of violence and wanton vandalism seen in London last week (including the appalling act of a fire extinguisher thrown from a roof top, which could have killed a student protestor, journalist or police officer) are not the answer. Follow the path of peace and love as epitomised by notable figures such as Gandhi, Jesus, Mandela, Martin Luther King and Aung Sang Suu Kyi.

Jesus who smashed up the merchants in the temple? Ghandi who beat his wife? Mandela who was involved in the ANC's armed struggle? Martin Luther who didn't condemn property destruction?

Fuck off.

 

[Maurice Picarda]

notable figures such as Gandhi, Jesus, Mandela, Martin Luther King and Aung Sang Suu Kyi.

And Goebfwai. Don't be so modest.

 

[audiotech]

No riots in Nick Cleggs garden. Oh the irony!

 

[stethoscope]

With such massive increases in the cost of University study, it is understandable that many students are upset and aggrieved. But the scenes of violence and wanton vandalism seen in London last week (including the appalling act of a fire extinguisher thrown from a roof top, which could have killed a student protestor, journalist or police officer) are not the answer. Follow the path of peace and love as epitomised by notable figures such as Gandhi, Jesus, Mandela, Martin Luther King and Aung Sang Suu Kyi.

Lol