NUS national protest against the cuts 10.11.10 [London]

[where to]

nothing cowardly about employing a strategy.

 

[revol68]

nothing cowardly about employing a strategy.

there is when your strategy is attacking people fighting against a vicious class war being waged against the working class.

 

[nino_savatte]

Reading this thread would result in knowing that he indeed was not there. I, by the way, wasn't either.

Well, la di da. By the way, you seem to have forgotten your antics a few years back and have chosen to reply to my post. What were you told?

 

[Crispy]

Yes, yes! A years old bitch fight that nobody cares about and that's got nothing to do with the thread! More! More!

 

[nino_savatte]

Yes, yes! A years old bitch fight that nobody cares about and that's got nothing to do with the thread! More! More!

Well, perhaps you could tell L&L to make his posts more relevant to this thread? Or perhaps you think he is making a valuable contribution to the discussion. Tell me, was his post at all relevant to what I said? Take your time.

 

[Hocus Eye.]

While we are discussing disputes, what about the NUS national protest against the cuts? What do you think about that? I support them. The students that is not the cuts.

 

[Pickman's model]

Yes, yes! A years old bitch fight that nobody cares about and that's got nothing to do with the thread! More! More!

as a moderator you should be trying to calm things down and not egg people on.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Switch on your sarcasm radar, Pickman's

 

[Hocus Eye.]

I hope the students can get it together with other groups affected by cuts, on their next venture.

 

[butchersapron]

The NUS leaders have come out against the plans for the walkout in a few eeks time - and are instead attempting to funnel anger down exclusively parliamentary roads and to labours benefit - mainly through what they pompously (and revealingly) call their 'decapitation strategy' i.e unseating the lib-dems big guns in 5 years time. Seize the moment eh comrades

I wonder, in the the NUS constitution is there a mechanism to recall Porter (or the entire EC)?

 

[butchersapron]

Switch on your sarcasm radar, Pickman's

Nope!

 

[Pickman's model]

The NUS leaders have come out against the plans for the walkout in a few eeks time - and are instead attempting to funnel anger down exclusively parliamentary roads and to labours benefit - mainly through what they pompously (and revealingly) call their 'decapitation strategy' i.e unseating the lib-dems big guns in 5 years time. Seize the moment eh comrades

I wonder, in the the NUS constitution is there a mechanism to recall Porter (or the entire EC)?

probably. let me have a look.

 

[butchersapron]

I hope the students can get it together with other groups affected by cuts, on their next venture.

Right, those involved in anti-cuts alliances, what link ups have you managed to achieve with students or student groups? What are your plans to ensure there's link ups?

 

[Pickman's model]

from the nus constitution (1)

180 Removal of members of the National Executive Council
181 Any member of the National Executive Council may be removed from office according to
the following; any ordinary or emergency motion debated by the National Conference or
motion debated by an extraordinary National conference or by National Ballot may
include an expression of ‘no confidence’ in any specified member of the National
Executive Council.
182 If such a motion is passed by a simple majority, the specified person shall immediately
cease to be a member of the National Executive Council.
183 For the avoidance of doubt, in the case of members of the National Executive Council
appointed ex-officio by virtue of becoming Full Time Officers, it shall not be possible to
independently remove them as a member of the National Executive Council, but if they
are removed from the national office they hold, then they shall immediately cease to be
a member of the National Executive Council.

and (2)

210 Removal of Full Time Officers and Casual Vacancies
211. Any Full Time Officer in an office named in Article 98 of the core constitution may be
removed from office according to the following any ordinary or emergency motion
debated by the National Conference or motion debated by an extraordinary National
Conference or National Ballot may include an expression of ‘no confidence’ in any
specified Full-Time Officer. If such a motion is passed by a simple majority, the post of
that Full time officer shall immediately become vacant. The post shall also become
vacant if a motion to this effect is approved by a National Ballot.
212. Upon first coming into office, and at any other time as he or she sees fit, the National
President shall nominate a Vice-President of the National Union to be the person who
shall become acting National President in the event of a casual vacancy or illness arising
in the office of National President. The nomination shall be made in the form of a letter
from the National President to the members of the National Executive Council. No
special provisions shall apply in any event to any nominated person, unless and until
there is a casual vacancy or illness in the office of National President.
213. In the event of a casual vacancy or illness arising in the office of National President,
then the nominated person shall become acting National President. A casual vacancy
will cause a casual vacancy in that Vice-President’s own nominal office, and that
vacancy shall be subsequently filled according to the procedure below.
214. In the event of a casual vacancy arising in any other office named in Article 98 of the
core constitution, then the National President shall recommend to the National
Executive Council any member of the National Executive Council to carry out the duties
of that office on an acting basis, provided that such a person has given their consent to
be nominated, and provided that no other serving full time officer may be so
nominated. The National Executive Council shall have the final decision as to whether
such a person is appointed or not.
215. If any Full Time Officer resigns or is removed from office then they shall also vacate any
offices they hold on an ex-officio basis, including membership of the National Executive
Council, the Trustee Board if applicable, and any other committees of the National
Union.
216. The procedures for removal and casual vacancies in other Full Time Offices established
in accordance with Article 98 of the core constitution shall be separately defined in the
relevant rules.

 

[radio_atomica]

Right, those involved in anti-cuts alliances, what link ups have you managed to achieve with students or student groups? What are your plans to ensure there's link ups?

Two students turned up at our meeting of around 50. They were both in support of forming an alliance between the NUS at our local university as was everyone at the meeting, although they were reporting back from the AGM of that NUS and it had been decided there that they would not join and would fight only on the education cuts and increase in fees issue.

Since that meeting I've been rounding up individual students and NUS members who I personally know to come to the next meeting and show that their is sympathy within the student body to the general anti-cuts movement. There are plans to go into the university and talk to students about why it is vital that no group fights their own battle on their own to make links. I am also hoping that there will be a presence at the walk out on the 24th, before our next meeting on the 25th to gain more support from individuals.

The university in our city is a major part of the local economy, essentially, I think the idea is to not leave them alone until they give in. It's madness for us to let the university suffer as a result of the cuts, and if the students think that the other cuts won't affect them too, even if they win their fees battle on their own (which they won't) they are being daft.

 

[Lock&Light]

also his comment about letting the elderly die as "nature intended" let slip the horrible social darwinist utilitarianism that runs through his thought.

What he actually said was rather different. He suggested that if there are not enough recources to save everyone his preference would be for those recourses to be concentrated on saving the young. I fully agree with that.

 

[BigTom]

Right, those involved in anti-cuts alliances, what link ups have you managed to achieve with students or student groups? What are your plans to ensure there's link ups?

not that I'm involved in any group yet, but with the help of Where To and anti-cuts uk, I've just had an email from a university of birmingham student and will be building links there, they are meeting on monday evening and I'll go down if I can as a non-student.
This is my plan to ensure link ups, I'm going to create them myself, and attend student group meetings when I can.
I'm shit at networking but I'm going to try really hard to help create networks in brum. I'm really dissapointed that I missed out on the first of the occupations of vodafone in birmingham (I couldn't have made the second one) and I don't want that to happen again.

 

[Pickman's model]

What he actually said was rather different. He suggested that if there are not enough recources to save everyone his preference would be for those recourses to be concentrated on saving the young. I fully agree with that.

even when there are enough resources i can think of one person (^^) from whom they could usefully be withheld.

 

[frogwoman]

Just find the whole thing quite funny. I guess it's what happens when you turn every portakabin in the UK into a university and let kids in with 2 Ds.

you know sometimes I think I'm too extreme and then I read shite like yours. Under the current "proposals" I wouldn't go to uni nor would most of my friends and nor would my sister. This government is one of the most reactionary I have ever heard about. People I speak to in other European countries are utterly shocked at what goes on here.

 

[frogwoman]

I may not agree with a poster, but I definitely disagree with this. I'd hate it to become a political monk's circle.

I agree with this.

 

[_angel_]

What he actually said was rather different. He suggested that if there are not enough recources to save everyone his preference would be for those recourses to be concentrated on saving the young. I fully agree with that.

No, he didn't say "I would rather save the young than the old" as if both were in peril, he clearly stated:

Heartless though it may seem, at the extreme, if we couldn't do both, I would divert funding from keeping the old and infirm alive longer than nature intends and divert it to improving the prospects of the young.

That it is better to improve the prospects of the young (ie by funding higher education) than funding the "old and infirm" elderly (and ill people too???) through (presumably) state funded care.
And it was horrible.

 

[Lock&Light]

No, he didn't say "I would rather save the young than the old" as if both were in peril, he clearly stated:


That it is better to improve the prospects of the young (ie by funding higher education) than funding the "old and infirm" elderly (and ill people too???) through (presumably) state funded care.
And it was horrible.

I paraphrased and used 'saved' in a very general way. In your quote it is clear to see the words, "if we couldn't do both". Everyone's preference is, of course, to find the nessessary recources, and I believe that can be done without having to sacrifice the old.

 

[where to]

I wonder, in the the NUS constitution is there a mechanism to recall Porter (or the entire EC)?

my understanding is that that is being looked at.

 

[Pickman's model]

my understanding is that that is being looked at.

you too can look at it if you read my post where i quote from the nus constitution

 

[Vintage Paw]

my understanding is that that is being looked at.

To what extent and by who?

 

[Pickman's model]

To what extent and by who?

at a guess by students and student unions

 

[where to]

To what extent and by who?

by not very many and not to a great extent. but by people who would be in a good position to initiate things if they chose to.

 

[Onket]

Have you read the article I linked to? It's very interesting.

Yes, it's an excellent article, thanks.

 

[Pickman's model]

by not very many and not to a great extent. but by people who would be in a good position to initiate things if they chose to.

name names or stfu

 

[frogwoman]

you know sometimes I think I'm too extreme and then I read shite like yours. Under the current "proposals" I wouldn't go to uni nor would most of my friends and nor would my sister. This government is one of the most reactionary I have ever heard about. People I speak to in other European countries are utterly shocked at what goes on here.

The "kid they let in with two d's" is one of my best friends btw.