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NUS national protest against the cuts 10.11.10 [London]

Who's being "chummy" and pretending nothing has happened?

You even manage to lie about being told to fuck off because I have no intention of ever engaging with you again.

Fucking classic! :D

Hang on a minute - you've repeatedly said you were never going to engage with me again but you keep doing so. Who's the liar?
 
Anyway here's a statement for the Solidarity Federation on the claims that they and a handful of other "hardcore anarchists" and "protest junkies".
I'm not sure that their statement is particularly convincing when viewed in the context of what happened at 30 Millbank. Thousands of protestors had beseiged the place and there were some inside. This continued for some considerable time with no smashing of windows, mass invasion of the building, etc. Then a few individuals (conspicous by the fact that they were particularly heavily masked and hooded, especially by comparison with the majority of the protestors) started to smash the windows and encourage more aggressive activity.

Now I have no idea who these people are. They may have been members of the original protest. But it is laughably ridiculous to suggest that if, say, half a dozen rent-an-anarchists turned up at that stage (bear in mind it was being shown live on TV and was in central London on a weekday, so it wouldn't take long to get there from pretty much anywhere in London if you fancied a punch-up, even if you weren't lurking around anyway, just in case) "the chances of us successfully [manipulating and controlling the crowd]" would be "minimal". It would be an absolutely ideal situation for them to exploit!

(Awaits assorted lying bitches, fuckwits and cunts quoting this post and claiming that I am stating that it was absolutely certain that anachist troublemakers were definitely, totally and utterly entirely responsible for everything ...)
 
I'm not sure that their statement is particularly convincing when viewed in the context of what happened at 30 Millbank. Thousands of protestors had beseiged the place and there were some inside. This continued for some considerable time with no smashing of windows, mass invasion of the building, etc. Then a few individuals (conspicous by the fact that they were particularly heavily masked and hooded, especially by comparison with the majority of the protestors) started to smash the windows and encourage more aggressive activity.

Now I have no idea who these people are. They may have been members of the original protest. But it is laughably ridiculous to suggest that if, say, half a dozen rent-an-anarchists turned up at that stage (bear in mind it was being shown live on TV and was in central London on a weekday, so it wouldn't take long to get there from pretty much anywhere in London if you fancied a punch-up, even if you weren't lurking around anyway, just in case) "the chances of us successfully [manipulating and controlling the crowd]" would be "minimal". It would be an absolutely ideal situation for them to exploit!

(Awaits assorted lying bitches, fuckwits and cunts quoting this post and claiming that I am stating that it was absolutely certain that anachist troublemakers were definitely, totally and utterly entirely responsible for everything ...)


Hmmmmm. I've been on demos where there's been a black bloc, radical workers bloc, whatever you want to call it. They've always been largely ineffective in anything except being kettled and getting their details taken by the police.
 
You should have no place on a board like this and I hope more people join in hounding you off it.
You really are a sound advocate for the principle of freedom of speech ... :D

And thank you for acknowledging that there is a group of people trying to hound me off it! After all these months of denials that The Collective exists we finally get the evidence ... courtesy of a careless admission from their most retarded member! :D :D :D
 
I'm not sure that their statement is particularly convincing when viewed in the context of what happened at 30 Millbank. Thousands of protestors had beseiged the place and there were some inside. This continued for some considerable time with no smashing of windows, mass invasion of the building, etc. Then a few individuals (conspicous by the fact that they were particularly heavily masked and hooded, especially by comparison with the majority of the protestors) started to smash the windows and encourage more aggressive activity.

Now I have no idea who these people are. They may have been members of the original protest. But it is laughably ridiculous to suggest that if, say, half a dozen rent-an-anarchists turned up at that stage (bear in mind it was being shown live on TV and was in central London on a weekday, so it wouldn't take long to get there from pretty much anywhere in London if you fancied a punch-up, even if you weren't lurking around anyway, just in case) "the chances of us successfully [manipulating and controlling the crowd]" would be "minimal". It would be an absolutely ideal situation for them to exploit!

(Awaits assorted lying bitches, fuckwits and cunts quoting this post and claiming that I am stating that it was absolutely certain that anachist troublemakers were definitely, totally and utterly entirely responsible for everything ...)

I've just rewatched some footage and I can't see these heavily masked people instigating the window smashing. Can you provide a link?
 
Hmmmmm. I've been on demos where there's been a black bloc, radical workers bloc, whatever you want to call it. They've always been largely ineffective in anything except being kettled and getting their details taken by the police.
I wouldn't necessarily disagree ... I've met enough in that category over the years. But my point was that the situation at 30 Millbank was actually pretty much the ideal situation if half a dozen agitators wished to precipitate something more aggressive rather than representing a situation in which their chances of success would have been minimal.
 
Both of these would be bad for Urban.

Would it fuck, it would help reverse the slide into apolitical middle aged senility.

Infact the actions of the students have done quite a bit to enliven Urban, with alot of us cynical old fucks getting a nice shot in the arm.
 
You really are a sound advocate for the principle of freedom of speech ... :D

And thank you for acknowledging that there is a group of people trying to hound me off it! After all these months of denials that The Collective exists we finally get the evidence ... courtesy of a careless admission from their most retarded member! :D :D :D

oh yeah poor pigs so oppressed, nowhere can their voice be heard.

who needs to hear anything from you, you have nothing to say that isn't already pushed by various media outlets.
 
I wouldn't necessarily disagree ... I've met enough in that category over the years. But my point was that the situation at 30 Millbank was actually pretty much the ideal situation if half a dozen agitators wished to precipitate something more aggressive rather than representing a situation in which their chances of success would have been minimal.

I've been on more riots than you've had wanks over Juliet Bravo.

It's never the desire of the few wanting confrontation hijacking the will of the demo.
 
Infact the actions of the students have done quite a bit to enliven Urban, with alot of us cynical old fucks getting a nice shot in the arm.

They broke a window in an office block, and remonstrated over the throwing of a fire extinguisher. If that gives you a shot in the arm then it's the subversives and agitators who are descending into senility, not the rest of us.
 
I may not agree with a poster, but I definitely disagree with this. I'd hate it to become a political monk's circle.

I'm lead to believe that DB used to be 'useful'. The only time I've seen him contributing to the boards however has been to disrupt threads and generally spit his glittery dummy at the slightest provocation. Quite how he's allowed to continue is beyond me.
 
I've been on more riots than you've had wanks over Juliet Bravo.

It's never the desire of the few wanting confrontation hijacking the will of the demo.

Yep if only it was as simple as turning up in black, doing a bit of posturing and willing confrontation into existence.

Though I can see why cops would imagine it goes like that... :D
 
DB, I know you're coming at this from a police perspective (unsurprisingly), but what do you feel about the reasons behind the students protesting? Is there a justification for this protest, and the wave of protests that might well follow from other walks of life? Apologies if you've already answered this somewhere in this gargantuan thread.
 
DB, I know you're coming at this from a police perspective (unsurprisingly), but what do you feel about the reasons behind the students protesting? Is there a justification for this protest, and the wave of protests that might well follow from other walks of life? Apologies if you've already answered this somewhere in this gargantuan thread.
Post 1222 and a few that follow on in the pages immediately after that sum up my feelings about the protest itself.

As for the justification, what the ConDems are doing is totally, completely and utterly wrong. Yes there need to be savings ... but their prioritisation is all wrong. Young people are the future of this country and without education and training (I wouldn't necessarily agree that everyone needs to go to university but every young person should be educated and / or trained for a future role in our country's economic recovery) that future is bleak. Heartless though it may seem, at the extreme, if we couldn't do both, I would divert funding from keeping the old and infirm alive longer than nature intends and divert it to improving the prospects of the young.

(But there are also other big (bigger, even) issues which are just being swerved by the ConDems. The development of Trident cannot be justified. Feeding the overblown bureaucracy of the EU without cutback cannot be justified. And, most importantly, the absolute failure to rein in the fucking bankers, who at the end of the day are the cause of the world's current woes, is a disgrace. Never mind the removal of future bonuses (which should be an absolute given) they should have the wealth they have amassed from their gross negligence over many years confiscated and placed in public funds. Thatcher has so much to answer for as they are absolutely the creations of her "no such thing as society", "every man for himself", "greed is good" deregulation of the City in the 80s. :( :( :()
 
All right. Fine. pk and db are both banned for the weekend for calling people cunts after it was posted that anyone calling anyone else a cunt would be banned for the weekend.
 
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