NUS national protest against the cuts 10.11.10 [London]

[Onket]

Nice try. Are you bored by any chance?

He was being challenged repeatedly on his claims by a number of people and asked to provide evidence to back it up. Would that not have been a good time to explain that's not what he actually meant?

Thanks. Yes.

I didn't think they were 'his claims', I thought that was the whole point of why he called you a liar.

Anyway, now I'm guilty of arguing about things that don't matter on this thread.

 

[revol68]

Can DB just fuck off from the thread, he delights in taking it off topic and reducing it to howls of "why is everyone picking on me".

Here's a clue you are a fucking pig and the vast majority on these boards are supportive of the protesters and have no time for you legal pedantry and apologism for the state and their dogs.

I don't get on with Madzone one bit usually but you did clearly imply that the protesters had terrifying the building staff, as she has quoted above.

Before that you sought to conflate giving advice to those face legal action for the protests to giving advice to rapists.

Why don't you clear off to some cop boards, though I'd guess you would probably be hated on them too.

 

[Lock&Light]

He was being challenged repeatedly on his claims by a number of people and asked to provide evidence to back it up. Would that not have been a good time to explain that's not what he actually meant?

As often as not it turns out to be the "number of people" who have got the wrong end of the stick, IMO.

 

[madzone]

Thanks. Yes.

I didn't think they were 'his claims', I thought that was the whole point of why he called you a liar.

Anyway, now I'm guilty of arguing about things that don't matter on this thread.

So you didn't even check

 

[madzone]

I don't get on with Madzone one bit usually ...

Which is why I found his cries of 'circle jerk, collective, blah blah blah...' quite amusing.

 

[Lock&Light]

So you didn't even check

I read onket's comment quite differently.

 

[revol68]

Thanks. Yes.

I didn't think they were 'his claims', I thought that was the whole point of why he called you a liar.

Anyway, now I'm guilty of arguing about things that don't matter on this thread.

He clearly did claim that the protesters terrified the staff, did you miss Madzone quoting it?

Do you include being terrified for their own safety in that? Do you acknowledge psycholgical hurt?

Or this one?

It is patently obvious to any normal person that there would have come a time when they were seriously concerned for their safety and so they, er, left ...

Detective Boy is a straight up liar.

 

[madzone]

I read onket's comment quite differently.

Are you bored?

 

[Onket]

So you didn't even check

Of course I checked. I can't see that he claimed that we should be cross with the demonstrators because they scared the receptionist.

But, like I said, it's hardly the most important issue that has arisen out of this whole thing (I actually said it doesn't matter).

 

[Lock&Light]

Are you bored?

No. You are keeping me amused. Thanks.

 

[madzone]

Of course I checked. I can't see that he claimed that we should be cross with the demonstrators because they scared the receptionist.

But, like I said, it's hardly the most important issue that has arisen out of this whole thing (I actually said it doesn't matter).

Do you think it's ok to call someone a lying bitch for disagreeing with you?

 

[Onket]

Do you think it's ok to call someone a lying bitch for disagreeing with you?

I think he probably called you that because he thought you were lying and quite possibly doesn't like you very much. I think that is really quite obvious and I think you know that.

 

[Lock&Light]

Onket is correct.

 

[revol68]

Onket any chance of acknowledging my post where I show DB to be a liar?

 

[Steel Icarus]

Of course I checked. I can't see that he claimed that we should be cross with the demonstrators because they scared the receptionist.

What, in your opinion, is the underlying tone of this statement?

It is fuckwitted to suggest that they would not have been at all shaken up by that experience, having to leave their place of work because a mob was smashing their way in intent on who knows what (bear in mind that a flare had earlier set off the building fire alarm and with the first having been set outside in the courtyard the threat of the building being burned would have been in some people's minds) and with the police patently unable to prevent them (by sheer force of numbers if nothing else). I would suggest that at the time the left their post they would, quite understandably, have been terrified for their safety. Any normal person, especially anyone who has been in anything like that situation, would agree with me.

 

[madzone]

I think he probably called you that because he thought you were lying and quite possibly doesn't like you very much. I think that is really quite obvious and I think you know that.

Does that justify calling someone a lying bitch? I have no idea why he would or wouldn't 'like' me. I've never excahnged more thana dozen words with him before now. If you're so bored have a little read of the thread from about page 40.

 

[Lock&Light]

What, in your opinion, is the underlying tone of this statement?

IMO, that the receptionists probably felt a little fear, but that is not enough reason alone to condemn the demonstrators.

 

[madzone]

What, in your opinion, is the underlying tone of this statement?

He actually says in that post that he suggests they would be terrified for their safety

Any chance of an apology Onket?

 

[madzone]

IMO, that the receptionists probably felt a little fear, but that is not enough reason alone to condemn the demonstrators.

Have you missed the words 'terrified for their safety'?

And where is the bit in that post that says about not condemning the protestors?

 

[revol68]

IMO, that the receptionists probably felt a little fear, but that is not enough reason alone to condemn the demonstrators.

No it's just one of Pig Boy's increasingly desperate reasons for condemning the protesters.

 

[Lock&Light]

Have you missed the words 'terrified for their safety'?

And where is the bit in that post that says about not condemning the protestors?

I read the whole thread, madzone, when I wish to comment on it. I don't mistake a moment of crossfire for being the whole war.

 

[Steel Icarus]

He actually says in that post that he suggests they would be terrified for their safety

Aye, but I was referring to DB's insinuating the mob deserved nothing but condemnation. After all, they could have done "who knows what".

 

[Lock&Light]

Pig Boy

Why are you allowed to do this?

 

[madzone]

Aye, but I was referring to DB's insinuating the mob deserved nothing but condemnation. After all, they could have done "who knows what".

It matters not. He actually used the words that I've been accused of being a 'lying bitch' about.

 

[revol68]

Anyway here's a statement for the Solidarity Federation on the claims that they and a handful of other "hardcore anarchists" and "protest junkies".

It is absurd and grossly patronising to attempt to pin the day’s hugely unpredictable events on the heads of an apparent “hardcore of troublemakers” or “protest junkies,” in articles that sit alongside footage of student participants confirming that this was their first ever demonstration. Even if we were inclined to manipulate and control crowds, the chances of us successfully doing so as a small minority in the midst of irate thousands are surely minimal. What must really terrify the politicians is to see how red and black flags and masks were hugely outnumbered by the hyped-up faces of students rejecting cuts to their education - cuts which now bear the fingerprints of all three major political parties.

 

[Steel Icarus]

It matters not. He actually used the words that I've been accused of being a 'lying bitch' about.

Doesn't matter anyway. He's long gone.

 

[revol68]

Why are you allowed to do this?

Pig is just shorthand for cop and a detective is simply a sub category of cop, I'm just saving myself typing the full name.

 

[Lock&Light]

Pig is just shorthand for cop and a detective is simply a sub category of cop, I'm just saving myself typing the full name.

A nooby might have fallen for this.

 

[madzone]

Doesn't matter anyway. He's long gone.

For now. He'll be back to do the same thing all over the forums all over again.

And again.

 

[radio_atomica]

Pig is just shorthand for cop and a detective is simply a sub category of cop, I'm just saving myself typing the full name.

ROFL