NUS national protest against the cuts 10.11.10 [London]

[DrRingDing]

Wound him up by stating my opinion? He was the one who launched into the abuse.

....and for such he should be banned.

 

[detective-boy]

Have to agree with d-b here- "Personally I don't think there should be a major reactive investigation".

I was talking to someone about Stephenson's comments yesterday - the Met are embarrassed by this and all that - and I sadly think that means that there will be ...

As I said earlier, yes the fire extinguisher thing merits a proper investigation, and possibly one or two other specific bits of the incident ... but I really hope we don't waste millions on months of investigation and end up with a "rogues gallery" of dozens of pictures of protestors who did little more than join in what was a crowd action.

 

[Onket]

I didn't wind him up intentionally.

You accidentally claimed he'd said the opposite of what he actually said?!

 

[shaman75]

You DO know that Millbank Tower isn't the same place as 30 Millbank which is the place that was trashed. You article helopfully contains the line: "A stoical Bryant continued: “To be honest, on the third floor of the tower we felt a lot safer than if we had been in 30 Millbank." ...


And that helps establish how the reception staff in a different building felt how exactly ...

i am aware that the tower next door isn't the actual building. it does give an idea of how people were feeling though. and it does state that protesters entered both buildings at the start.

it also indicates that when the fire alarms went off, the staff left and couldn't get back in through the crowds. i don't know either way whether the fire alarms are linked, so that if one building goes, the other one does, however, there is a smoke canister going off in the reception at the point the students enter the lobby, well before any breaking of windows.

presumably this would set off the fire alarm quite quickly, causing the staff to leave. if you look at the video when the students are entering, the staff look a bit bemused. i can't see any evidence of panic or terror though.

i'm suggesting that they sat there, the fire alarm went off and they left through the fire exit and never returned. is there any evidence to counter this theory?

 

[madzone]

You accidentally claimed he'd said the opposite of what he actually said?!

I believed it to be true. Read the thread Onket. It's all going normally and then he goes off like a fucking rocket. I thinks the professional term is 'emotionally liable'.

 

[fractionMan]

Claire solomon on the radio vs some tory twat and an aggro presenter

 

[Onket]

I believed it to be true. Read the thread Onket. It's all going normally and then he goes off like a fucking rocket. I thinks the professional term is 'emotionally liable'.

 

[Steel Icarus]

Johann Hari on the cuts:

It was predictable that the British people would be furious at this betrayal and fight back. A tiny number fought back this week in a despicable way: throwing fire extinguishers off a tall building could kill somebody, and whatever thug did it should go to prison. But most acted eloquently and passionately and peacefully. “Don’t ruin my dreams,” one student’s banner said, summarizing the mood of the crowd.

Well worth a read.

http://johannhari.com/2010/11/12/nick-clegg-has-betrayed-us-all

 

[madzone]

Do you include being terrified for their own safety in that? Do you acknowledge psycholgical hurt?

You accidentally claimed he'd said the opposite of what he actually said?!

See that up there where he's talking about people being terrified for their safety?

He kicked off because he was asked to back up his opinions with some evidence. Nothing more nothing less.

 

[gunneradt]

detective boy has merely pointed matters of law and has been talking common sense

I hope all those in short trousers and rah rah skirts get punished appropriately

they should have been nicked, held overnight and made to clear up the mess the following morning wearing orange jumpsuits

 

[detective-boy]

As we're back on the powerfulness of some of the placards (well, all of us except obsessed liars who are still misrepresenting what has previously been posted ...), this one mentioned earlier merits repetition. I think it makes a hugely powerful point (I hope the guy holding it is from somewhere like Hackney College rather than Eton, but the point would remain valid anyway ... ).

 

[Onket]

See that up there where he's talking about people being terrified for their safety?

No.

 

[madzone]

Oh yeah, let's be chummy and pretend nothing has happened. No apology for calling me a 'lying bitch' for the crime of disagreeing with you?

 

[Lock&Light]

See that up there where he's talking about people being terrified for their safety?

That was in answer to someone who said, "it only matters if people get hurt." You have to include the context, IMO.

 

[madzone]

No.

I can't be arsed playing silly buggers Onket.

 

[Onket]

Oh yeah, let's be chummy and pretend nothing has happened. No apology for calling me a 'lying bitch' for the crime of disagreeing with you?

I thought you were tired of him now?!!! Make your mind up. And you did actually lie.

 

[Onket]

I can't be arsed playing silly buggers Onket.

That is EXACTLY what you have been doing, you clown!

 

[madzone]

That was in answer to someone who said, "it only matters if people get hurt." You have to include the context, IMO.

The context is in what comes next.

 

[madzone]

I thought you were tired of him now?!!! Make your mind up. And you did actually lie.

I didn't lie. In what way did I lie?

 

[Lock&Light]

The context is in what comes next.

It was you who used that quote in your argument. Why not use a later one if it was revelevant?

 

[madzone]

It was you who used that quote in your argument. Why not use a later one if it was revelevant?

You and Onket are just trying to fan the flames.

What do you think DB was saying?

 

[Onket]

I didn't lie. In what way did I lie?

This-

Because DB was using it as a reason we should all be cross with the naughty protestors.

is not the truth.

Don't get me wrong, I couldn't really care either way if two people want to bicker on the internet, but I do find it amusing that you seem to be so blinkered of your own actions.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I certainly can't be arsed to wade back through the absolute drivel that d-b's been posting to prove this, but you are incorrect, Onket. What madz says is fair comment, and as ever d-b has lost it twice on this thread for no reason.

 

[madzone]

This-



is not the truth.

Don't get me wrong, I couldn't really care either way if two people want to bicker on the internet, but I do find it amusing that you seem to be so blinkered of your own actions.

So, if someone posts something that isn't true (although you're wrong about that in this instance - db had ample time to say he wasn't claiming they were terrified) they're lying?

Can people not be mistaken? If your partner makes a mistake do you call her a lying bitch?

 

[madzone]

I certainly can't be arsed to wade back through the absolute drivel that d-b's been posting to prove this, but you are incorrect, Onket. What madz says is fair comment, and as ever d-b has lost it twice on this thread for no reason.

There's a post by revol a few pages back where he says he doesn't believe the office staff were terrifed and db asks why they left the building then. Onket's just being a shit stirrer.

 

[Steel Icarus]

It is patently obvious to any normal person that there would have come a time when they were seriously concerned for their safety and so they, er, left ...

.

 

[Onket]

So, if someone posts something that isn't true (although you're wrong about that in this instance - db had ample time to say he wasn't claiming they were terrified) they're lying?

Can people not be mistaken? If your partner makes a mistake do you call her a lying bitch?

Are you saying you were mistaken?

LBJ- I'm more than aware d-b flies off the handle, but I'm also more than aware that people do love to have a pop at him because of who is is/was.

 

[madzone]

Are you saying you were mistaken?

LBJ- I'm more than aware d-b flies off the handle, but I'm also more than aware that people do love to have a pop at him because of who is is/was.

Did you miss the bit in brackets?

And if you're suggesting I'd try to wind him up just because he used to be a policeman you're more paranoid than he is.

 

[Onket]

Did you miss the bit in brackets?

Are you saying that d-b not only doesn't have to state something, he also must specifically state that he isn't stating it?

 

[madzone]

Are you saying that d-b not only doesn't have to state something, he also must specifically state that he isn't stating it?

Nice try. Are you bored by any chance?

He was being challenged repeatedly on his claims by a number of people and asked to provide evidence to back it up. Would that not have been a good time to explain that's not what he actually meant?