NUS national protest against the cuts 10.11.10 [London]

[Onket]

I merely put forth the kerrrazy notion that violence is not a clever option. No piety or wringing of hands, I assure you.

And lots of people don't agree.

 

[krtek a houby]

^^^ this

Perhaps you could point out where I demonised the protesters in this case, ta ever so muchly

 

[krtek a houby]

And lots of people don't agree.

What; here or outside urban?

 

[moon23]

let's hope not, eh

What? You don't want the idiot who threw a fire extinguisher from several stories into a crowd caught? Do you condemn his actions?

 

[Louis MacNeice]

What; here or outside urban?

Both.

Louis MacNeice

 

[krtek a houby]

Both.

Louis MacNeice

And lots of people support the student protest without resorting to any violence.

But who is right?

 

[AKA pseudonym]

Perhaps you could point out where I demonised the protesters in this case, ta ever so muchly

why bother....
go back chasing the shadows n disrailing
over n out

 

[moon23]

The problem with justifying political violence and destruction of property is that it might be used by people who disagree with your cause. I wonder how people on this board would feel if a bunch of right-wing thugs smashed up a union office or broke the windows of their own parties office.

 

[Streathamite]

I merely put forth the kerrrazy notion that violence is not a clever option. No piety or wringing of hands, I assure you.

jer, you're incapable of making a post that doesn't read like someone simultaneously scrambling for the moral highest ground and hanging the sign 'martyr' round their neck

 

[FridgeMagnet]

no it isn't

 

[krtek a houby]

why bother....
go back chasing the shadows n disrailing
over n out

So you can't show my alleged demonising of the protesters, then? Thought as much.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

And lots of people support the student protest without resorting to any violence.

But who is right?

Violence and non-violence both play a part. Following one or other route exclusively is simply limiting; your apparent dichotomy ('who is right') is a false one.

Lous MacNeice

 

[Streathamite]

^^^ this

yes, yes, I know

 

[krtek a houby]

jer, you're incapable of making a post that doesn't read like someone simultaneously scrambling for the moral highest ground and hanging the sign 'martyr' round their neck

And it would appear that some can't take my posts without reading all sorts of stuff into them, either

 

[Onket]

no it isn't

This^

 

[Random]

The problem with justifying political violence and destruction of property is that it might be used by people who disagree with your cause. I wonder how people on this board would feel if a bunch of right-wing thugs smashed up a union office or broke the windows of their own parties office.

Nobody's justifying violence as being good in itself. Aren't you supposed to be the logical and rigorous one who reads popper and stuff?

 

[butchersapron]

And lots of people support the student protest without resorting to any violence.

But who is right?

Fight!

 

[Onket]

no it isn't

Yes it is.

 

[Random]

And lots of people support the student protest without resorting to any violence.

But who is right?

Who on this thread is 'resorting to violence'? Is this more of that 'internet brutality'?

 

[AKA pseudonym]

So you can't show my alleged demonising of the protesters, then? Thought as much.

Whats the point, waste of bandwith innit...
I never argue with a fool, observers can find it hard to know who's who...

sigh... maybe we can get back on topic soon... it aint all about you...
x

 

[moon23]

That's why I'm so riled about it, I went and said my bit, made my point, then came home, but I may aswell not have bothered, alongside the other 50,000 odd students who were also peaceful, because we're getting no credit or coverage. Not only that, but it's assumed that we were all behaving like that, which isn't fair.

Sadly the media encourages this type of violence by giving the people who commit it so much coverage. Why should someone who throws a lump of concrete get themselves interviewed on the news rather than someone like yourself who attends peacefully?

It’s very sad that this type of political violence is deemed by some to be justifiable because it attracts media attention. Incidentally Terrorist work on the same principle of thriving on the media coverage for their atrocities.

Hopefully those who caused this trouble will be arrested and charged and the vast majority of coherent and sensible demonstrators will be able to influence government policy.

 

[Santino]

And lots of people support the student protest without resorting to any violence.

But who is right?

There's only one way to find out...

 

[kyser_soze]

Incidentally Terrorist work on the same principle of thriving on the media coverage for their atrocities

No they don't. Nice demonstration of the doublethink of linking legitimate political protest with terrorism tho. Fucking scum libdem cunt.

 

[fogbat]

Or not fight, obviously.

 

[moon23]

Nobody's justifying violence as being good in itself. Aren't you supposed to be the logical and rigorous one who reads popper and stuff?

I'm not saying anyone has justified political violence, just pointing out why it's stupid to do so. I would say political violence is only good as a means to an ends in very extreme circumstances e.g. Fascist invasion, against a Dictatorship. Rioting over having to cover some of the costs of your own higher education is not a legitimate course of action. I suspect hardly any of those involved haven’t even bothered with trying to engage with the political system.

 

[Hocus Eye.]

Sadly the media encourages this type of violence by giving the people who commit it so much coverage. Why should someone who throws a lump of concrete get themselves interviewed on the news rather than someone like yourself who attends peacefully?

It’s very sad that this type of political violence is deemed by some to be justifiable because it attracts media attention. Incidentally Terrorist work on the same principle of thriving on the media coverage for their atrocities.

Hopefully those who caused this trouble will be arrested and charged and the vast majority of coherent and sensible demonstrators will be able to influence government policy.

"What do we want? Moderate change. When do we want it? No hurry."

 

[belboid]

Sadly the media encourages this type of violence by giving the people who commit it so much coverage. Why should someone who throws a lump of concrete get themselves interviewed on the news rather than someone like yourself who attends peacefully?

It’s very sad that this type of political violence is deemed by some to be justifiable because it attracts media attention. Incidentally Terrorist work on the same principle of thriving on the media coverage for their atrocities.

Hopefully those who caused this trouble will be arrested and charged and the vast majority of coherent and sensible demonstrators will be able to influence government policy.

Who threw this 'concrete' moonie? It is a figment of yours & Skys vivid imagination. A typically dishonest way to put forward an argument. And then you equate them with tyerrorists too! Marvellous. two more sentences and we'd be back to the enemy withni.

One person throwing a fire extinguisher no more negates the rest of the occupiers' activities any more than the occupiers' activities negated Stundet_Teacher marching peacefully. Blame the root causes for the violence - Tory attcks and their lickspittal backers, the Lying Liberal Democrats who are busy breaking every promise they made. They are inflicting far more violence upon people than that demo ever could.

 

[revol68]

Why should someone who throws a lump of concrete get themselves interviewed on the news rather than someone like yourself who attends peacefully?

Moon23 no one threw concrete that was Sky News being retarded and unable to judge between the descent on a newspaper and concrete blocks.

 

[TopCat]

What? You don't want the idiot who threw a fire extinguisher from several stories into a crowd caught? Do you condemn his actions?

No and No. Plus you are making sexist assumptions. It could have been a bird that passed it down.

 

[Belushi]

No they don't. Nice demonstration of the doublethink of linking legitimate political protest with terrorism tho. Fucking scum libdem cunt.

This.