NUS national protest against the cuts 10.11.10 [London]

[kyser_soze]

Well, I suppose that windows get shattered when a bomb goes off.

 

[moon23]

Your scum collection of turncoats campaigned on a platform utterly opposed to what's happening with uni funding. You can expect this shit from the Tories, but I hope every single one of your councillors and MPs get kicked out over the next 5 years, and your scum party dies a death forever in British politics.

That's the nature of coalition politics, sometimes things you promised and want as part of your manifesto don't get enacted. It's better to work and try and make the proposals more progressive which is what the party has done. I'm proud of the work Lib Dem MPs have done in improving on the Browne review recomendations, even if I am dissapointed we didn't get elected and couldn't deliver our complete manifesto.

 

[krtek a houby]

I very much doubt you've spent a second thinking about what constitutes violence and non-violence, or under what circumstances each is appropriate/necessary. Noone who had could come out with such santimonious misdirected bollocks.

And yet another comparing last night to something far more worthy. Sanctimonious, indeed.

This is not occupied Palestine, nor the 6 counties, nor Tibet etc etc.

 

[Fruitloop]

That's the nature of coalition politics, sometimes things you promised and want as part of your manifesto don't get enacted. It's better to work and try and make the proposals more progressive which is what the party has done. I'm proud of the work Lib Dem MPs have done in improving on the Browne review recomendations, even if I am dissapointed we didn't get elected and couldn't deliver our complete manifesto.

What it means is that if you side with the party of the ruling class, you get to preside over their attacks on everybody else. Well done.

 

[Random]

And yet another comparing last night to something far more worthy. Sanctimonious, indeed.

This is not occupied Palestine, nor the 6 counties, nor Tibet etc etc.

One reason we're better off than in those countries is because we've been better at holding our political elite to ransom

 

[Streathamite]

You do have a point here belboid, I am very unhappy the Lib Dems did not stipulate that the coalition was formed on the basis that all electoral pledges should be honoured. Activists like myself did not work hard only to see promises broken.

However the Lib Dems do not have a majority within the government, so I think it’s reasonable that the majority parties e.g. Conservatives viewpoint is the one that dominates. To this extent I do not think the government can be said to have specifically broken it’s pledge.
What I am pleased about is that the Lib Dems have had the courage to sit around the table and improve upon the Browne report (that Labour commissioned and the Tories would implement in full) recommendations to ensure they are more progressive.

all of this totally ignores one key point; your party sold the students out and broke its' promises to them. Full stop.

 

[Divisive Cotton]

Wasn't they lucky with the weather! The only nice day in the week. We must have God on our side.

 

[krtek a houby]

One reason we're better off than in those countries is because we've been better at holding our political elite to ransom

And possibly because the UK isn't occupied, so no need for defending your turf, either.

 

[kyser_soze]

That's the nature of coalition politics, sometimes things you promised and want as part of your manifesto don't get enacted. It's better to work and try and make the proposals more progressive which is what the party has done. I'm proud of the work Lib Dem MPs have done in improving on the Browne review recomendations, even if I am dissapointed we didn't get elected and couldn't deliver our complete manifesto.

You do realise that a lot of students would have voted Lib-dem, don't you? Possibly even some for the first time. They won't be voting Lib-dem again.

 

[chilango]

Why should someone who throws a lump of concrete get themselves interviewed on the news rather than someone like yourself who attends peacefully?

Why would they do the interview? that'd be really dumb...

It’s very sad that this type of political violence is deemed by some to be justifiable because it attracts media attention.

I don't think people are justifying because of the media attention (after all media attention is not the end goal of these things) but pointing out that such scenes do not "detract" from the attention a peaceful protest would allegedly get.

Hopefully those who caused this trouble will be arrested and charged

Me too.

Bankers, bosses and politicians in the slammer!

 

[kyser_soze]

And possibly because the UK isn't occupied, so no need for defending your turf, either.

Look at the history of political protest in England from the time of Boudicea onwards. It's a long, long train. Hell, even tho it was self-interest, even the Magna Carta was a protest by the elite at the ruler.

 

[grit]

I think it's a category error to define the invasions of Iraq & Afghanistan as terrorism as they were actions of a sovereign nation

They seem to fit the dictionary definition of the word perfectly. The acts being perpetrated by a sovereign nation or a bunch of lads in a cave is irrelevant.

–noun
1.
the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.

 

[TopCat]

They seem to fit the dictionary definition of the word perfectly. The acts being perpetrated by a sovereign nation or a bunch of lads in a cave is irrelevant.

–noun
1.
the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.

Apparently adding the concepts of Sovereign and Nation means you can kill who you want.

 

[ymu]

And yet another comparing last night to something far more worthy. Sanctimonious, indeed.

This is not occupied Palestine, nor the 6 counties, nor Tibet etc etc.

Oh ffs! I was not comparing the situation to Palestine you stupid little man. I was pointing out that the philosophy behind non-violence is a fuck of a lot deeper than your superficial sanctimonious wittering.

 

[TopCat]

I am off home now. May I just say to one and all how much I have enjoyed participating in the thread today. One Love.

 

[krtek a houby]

Look at the history of political protest in England from the time of Boudicea onwards. It's a long, long train. Hell, even tho it was self-interest, even the Magna Carta was a protest by the elite at the ruler.

I'd hardly place last nights demo in such illustrious historical company but yes, I catch the drift.

People are understandably irked at yet another rubbish deal from yet another rubbish Govt but the time for violent revolution is long gone. We, allegedly, live in a democratic society - armed insurrection (I'm exaggerating here, in case it's not blindingly obvious) isn't going to kick off because of the unfairness of the present day. I could understand and be less... obstinate... if this country was Burma, or Zimbabwe or NK or anywhere were there is severe oppression and a need for absolute change.

That there is need for change here, I have no doubt. But it is not as severe as places where violent unrest would be expected.

 

[kyser_soze]

moon - this is the legislation the shower of cunts your party has aligned with is introducing:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/nov/11/iain-duncan-smith-unveils-welfare-contract

Not working is 'sinful' apparently. A politician in 21st century Britain using the word 'sinful' in an unironic, utterly serious way. Yup, your little party certainly have to bend over.

 

[Dovydaitis]

The millitant students have made it clear this isn't just about the student fees issue, but also about the cuts. Which are lethal and therefore should be stopped using appropriate force.

I was waiting for that. The whole thing yesterday was not only about fees but cuts to universities. They want to cut the arts, humanities and social sciences. My degree is an arts/humanities one so I will be directly affected by the cuts and due to my position I see how my department is running at the mo with tutors not being paid for all the hours they do as there isnt the money in the pot. Cuts will close unis and lead to unemployment.

 

[chilango]

I I could understand and be less... obstinate... if this country Zimbabwe were there is severe oppression and a need for absolute change.

As an aside...

Oddly, in Zimbabwe there seems to be less need/will for violent change as most peeps I spoke to there figure it's only a matter of time now before Mugabe pops his clogs so are preferring to hang on in there for the time being...

 

[krtek a houby]

Oh ffs! I was not comparing the situation to Palestine you stupid little man. I was pointing out that the philosophy behind non-violence is a fuck of a lot deeper than your superficial sanctimonious wittering.

Patronising. Hey look at me, I support Palestine - so therefore I'm a fuck more "real" than you.

Big deal. I support Palestine too. Last night's protests are a million miles away from Palestine. I think I know the difference between random street violence and the fight for freedom, silly.

 

[grit]

I was watching The Wright Stuff this morning and despite the constant need to reassert that they can't support the "violence", it was pretty damn sympathetic, especially the people calling in. The facts are without the "violence" kicking off this would never have become such an issue. There was even a wee glint in your man Wright's eye when saying he couldn't support the violence but maybe it should be expected when government attacks peoples conditions.

Also I had never watched it before as I assumed it was retarded shite but it's actual less reactionary than most of those types of shows, which is kinda depressing when you think about it.

Giving that fucking pox of a show too much credit. They are the same cunts who delivered such lines as "Yes torture is ok because they are all trying to kill us" earlier this week, I nearly spat out my coffee when I heard it.

 

[krtek a houby]

As an aside...

Oddly, in Zimbabwe there seems to be less need/will for violent change as most peeps I spoke to there figure it's only a matter of time now before Mugabe pops his clogs so are preferring to hang on in there for the time being...

The scars run deep there, it will not be an easy transition, that's for sure.

 

[Dovydaitis]

You do realise that a lot of students would have voted Lib-dem, don't you? Possibly even some for the first time. They won't be voting Lib-dem again.

yup. They have lost a hell of a lot of support. I wish Sheffield Hallam constituency all the best in their aim of unseating Clegg!

 

[ymu]

Patronising. Hey look at me, I support Palestine - so therefore I'm a fuck more "real" than you.

Big deal. I support Palestine too. Last night's protests are a million miles away from Palestine. I think I know the difference between random street violence and the fight for freedom, silly.

Whoosh!

Why do very few non-violent activists condemn political violence jer? Do you know? Do you care? Have you spent a second thinking about it?

 

[Vintage Paw]

I was waiting for that. The whole thing yesterday was not only about fees but cuts to universities. They want to cut the arts, humanities and social sciences. My degree is an arts/humanities one so I will be directly affected by the cuts and due to my position I see how my department is running at the mo with tutors not being paid for all the hours they do as there isnt the money in the pot. Cuts will close unis and lead to unemployment.

Indeed. I believe all government funding to Arts/Humanities/Social Sciences is being withdrawn, along with a 60% cut to staffing funding. The universities will have no choice but to ask for the full amount of fees in order to still run these courses and to pay the lecturers. The first privately sponsored courses are being announced (the Morrisson's degree, for example), and the march towards critical thinking for the elites, vocational worker drone factories for the poor continues.

 

[kyser_soze]

Time to start a free universities movement then. Get all the unemployed lecturers etc onto YouTube and stuff. As well as fighting the cuts.

 

[chilango]

Time to start a free universities movement then. Get all the unemployed lecturers etc onto YouTube and stuff. As well as fighting the cuts.

I was just thinking that earlier...

 

[audiotech]

'Why the Socialist Workers Party is bad for Britain.'

Quack, quack.

 

[Streathamite]

I think I know the difference between random street violence and the fight for freedom, silly.

you've certainly not shown that on this thread

 

[krtek a houby]

Whoosh!

Why do very few non-violent activists condemn political violence jer? Do you know? Do you care? Have you spent a second thinking about it?

I've spent a whole lifetime thinking about it. It's a very conflicting business.

I'm not the enemy, btw.

But I am within reach, I suppose...