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NHS Covid 19 App
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Which metadata might be kept in a spreadsheet?
mwgdrwg
Be a Pisces. Jam.
Go fuck yourself, condescending wind bag.
The main takeaway I took from it was about the QR code format used is not ideal. Having spent a bit of time about a year ago looking into QR code optimisation I agree. It's not end of the world stuff, the app still functions but like the excel spreadsheet stuff and the duff notifications it's clearly not the best minds that have been working on this. I suspect it's the cheapest people Serco could find being charged out to the Gov for 20x their rate.
Those QR codes have a lot of unnecessary information in them which creates a more dense QR code which means it's slower and less reliable to scan. Older phones with worse cameras and less grunt to process images will struggle, people with less steady hands will struggle and being in low light will make them much harder to scan - a problem as they're often going to be in darker doorways as you go in.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
It will be my pleasure.
elbows
Well-Known Member
That stuff I mused about in the past as to whether various managers and authorities would dislike aspects of the app because its instructions conflict with their ability to manage staffing etc by fudging close contact/isolation rules manually is certainly proving to be a thing:
This originally occurred to me in the context of healthcare staff but it actually applies much more broadly and stories like this shine a light on covid secure bullshit and workplace/management reality.
And also
A danger the app might actually do what its supposed to, we cant be having that!
NHS Covid-19 app: Why are some teachers being told not to use it?
Some school heads are telling teachers to ignore or switch off contact tracing, BBC News has learned.
www.bbc.co.uk
This originally occurred to me in the context of healthcare staff but it actually applies much more broadly and stories like this shine a light on covid secure bullshit and workplace/management reality.
And also
A danger the app might actually do what its supposed to, we cant be having that!
"One head teacher told his colleagues there was a danger a staff member could receive an alert relating to their external activities, which would then trigger more alerts affecting the school."
I thought that'd only be the case if said staff member tested positive themselves, in which case it wouldn't matter whether it was relating to external activities people would need to isolate.
I thought that'd only be the case if said staff member tested positive themselves, in which case it wouldn't matter whether it was relating to external activities people would need to isolate.
That stuff I mused about in the past as to whether various managers and authorities would dislike aspects of the app because its instructions conflict with their ability to manage staffing etc by fudging close contact/isolation rules manually is certainly proving to be a thing:
NHS Covid-19 app: Why are some teachers being told not to use it?
Some school heads are telling teachers to ignore or switch off contact tracing, BBC News has learned.www.bbc.co.uk
This originally occurred to me in the context of healthcare staff but it actually applies much more broadly and stories like this shine a light on covid secure bullshit and workplace/management reality.
And also
A danger the app might actually do what its supposed to, we cant be having that!
Same in some private firms.
elbows
Well-Known Member
A truly worldbeating quantity of surplus management fudge in this pandemic. As with nearly everything else illuminated by this pandemic its nothing new, it just reveals in magnified form what was always there and that people already knew was shit via the rest of their life experiences. But the pandemic is too intense a thing for these things to be hidden by the usual slow grind. The consequences that are soul destroying, economically devastating or deadly to people over a lifetime or a career that are normally tolerated (including via managed decline), are less obviously tolerable when they happen to everyone at once in a relatively short period of time.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
nowt to worry aboutThe app just sent me a notification saying 'someone you met has tested positive for covid', but it then vanished and I can't find any trace of it in the app, or anything telling me what to do of I get such a message
this is discussed upthread but this explains it:
Coronavirus: Some users of NHS tracing app incorrectly given COVID-19 exposure alerts
Users get notifications that they have been near someone who tested positive, but when they click into the app it disappears.
so I wouldn't be surprised to actually get a message.
scifisam
feck! arse! girls! drink!
Went to two venues tonight, and again at the first one neither of our phones worked with the QR code. They both worked fine at the second venue. I tried moving the laminated sheet out of the light, because the lighting was causing a couple of sharp spikes across the image, but it didn't help. They didn't ask for any additional information, either.
Our phones were also stolen on the street so now we can't go into any venues till we get new phones. OK, going out to eat isn't an essential, but it puts an extra barrier on what socialising there is.
Our phones were also stolen on the street so now we can't go into any venues till we get new phones. OK, going out to eat isn't an essential, but it puts an extra barrier on what socialising there is.
Callie
Pivoting
I have had an alert. It could be this thing which is an error but maybe not? I work in healthcare. I have no idea if I should go to work tomorrow or now so have emailed by boss and asked her what to do 
will call in the morning. I could try to get a test tonight BUT App guidance just says isolate for 14 days, testing website says don't do anything unless test and trace tells you to (is the app part of test and trace or is that a different, specific thing??). I thought my workplace had released guidance saying to get a test ASAP but that may have just been for symptomatic people. CONFUSING.
will call in the morning. I could try to get a test tonight BUT App guidance just says isolate for 14 days, testing website says don't do anything unless test and trace tells you to (is the app part of test and trace or is that a different, specific thing??). I thought my workplace had released guidance saying to get a test ASAP but that may have just been for symptomatic people. CONFUSING.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
No, app works in relation to other phones, not whether you were GPS tracked into a bar/restaurant. That's what the QR codes are for. If you didn't go in you don't need to scan afaik.
Thora
Differently Ethical
Is the alert still visible when you go into the app, and actually telling you to isolate? If it is, then I think you have to follow it regardless of whether you have a test.I have had an alert. It could be this thing which is an error but maybe not? I work in healthcare. I have no idea if I should go to work tomorrow or now so have emailed by boss and asked her what to do
If it was a possible exposure notice that came up and disappeared, and isn't visible in your app now with isolation instructions, then you ignore it.
BristolEcho
Well-Known Member
Sorry about your phone's. You should be able to give details manually should you want to eat somewhere though appreciate you might not want too.
Thora
Differently Ethical
What does the notification say? If there's nothing in the app then it probably isn't an actual self-isolation order unfortunatelywhere would it show in the App? there.s nothing obvious when i open the app but its logged a notification when i look via android settings etc
(Id quite like some legit days working from home
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
If you can't see anything in the app it will be one of the "possible exposure" messages that it sends out which they blamed on Apple/Google but are actually their fault.
Mention of them seems to have been removed from the NHS FAQ - I've seen it previously - so I suspect they are planning to roll out a fix for it.
Mention of them seems to have been removed from the NHS FAQ - I've seen it previously - so I suspect they are planning to roll out a fix for it.
Callie
Pivoting
mean!What does the notification say? If there's nothing in the app then it probably isn't an actual self-isolation order unfortunately
wiskey
Albatross Admirer
I was secretly a bit gutted mine wasn't a real message, I've so far worked straight through since march without any time off for covid'. Clearly I don't want covid but I wouldn't mind 10 days off not having it.(Id quite like some legit days working from home
Negative ones? I'm wondering if it only allows positive ones.
wiskey
Albatross Admirer
Ah, no, positive
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
The reports at the time, IIRC, said only positive ones could be added.
What would the point be in entering negative ones?
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
No, person I know entered negative test results from non-NHS tests - study one too.
It wouldn't let us enter the code at all.
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