FridgeMagnet
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That seems like an instance where the app is actually working, despite the best efforts of the developers to fuck it up.
NHS Covid 19 App
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scifisam
feck! arse! girls! drink!
Maybe, but his sister had told him before the NHS did.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
I'd be pissed off if the NHS beat a sibling in telling me. That's entirely the right way round!
scifisam
feck! arse! girls! drink!
Maybe, but it wasn't the app that actually found out they'd been in contact, via check-ins and so on, it was the sister.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
I think the point here is that, if your sister had not been the sort of person to be honest and upfront, the app would have provided a second line of defence.
Not everyone is going to be as honest and upfront as your sister was with you.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Yes.
scifisam
feck! arse! girls! drink!
Not my sister, but that's assuming a lot about what the app would have noticed. It didn't clock that I'd been next to two people who tested positive, despite me checking in with the app.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Ok.
Looby
Well-Known Member
The app has now updated itself with my neg result and removed the isolation countdown.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Way to make me look stupid, app
Sorry, I was pretty sure it didn't used to do that eg NHS Covid 19 App but now we definitely know I guess.
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
The track and trace team followed up with a phone call yesterday basically reminding me I have to stay indoors, followed by an email saying the same thing. It's 5 days since I saw my sister , she has symptoms , I don't, yet.
scifisam
feck! arse! girls! drink!
Yes, since my test result they have been phoning and texting me loads. I get so many texts from them I feel quite popular
When I didn't fill in the online form about contacts quickly enough, because it kept crashing, they phoned to get the details instead. That part's been quite well done.Are you going to try to get a test? Might as well if you're isolating anyway.
Looby
Well-Known Member
Way to make me look stupid, app
Sorry, I was pretty sure it didn't used to do that eg NHS Covid 19 App but now we definitely know I guess.
No you were right in that I couldn’t enter the result myself but didn’t think I’d booked the test through the app. I think if you book through the app it updates itself but it hadn’t at that point.
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
I'll leave it for a few days see if any symptoms emergeYes, since my test result they have been phoning and texting me loads. I get so many texts from them I feel quite popular
Are you going to try to get a test? Might as well if you're isolating anyway.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
I’m self-isolating but have had no notifications. Probably cos i seem to be the only person at work who uses the app.
Hearse Pileup
Horse Pickup, isle 5
I have spent a long time not installing the app, but having read this entire thread I've finally taken the move to do so.
The reasons I was avoiding it were:
It does seem that, albeit no where near enough on its' own, the decentralised Apple/Google protocol (that I already knew about, but with how the govt has handled everything didn't trust their implementation) is an easy and fairly safe way of protecting people around me. I dispair of not being able to install the app by compiling from build, but this privacy risk is less than minimal. The added protection it gives not just me, but people I come into contact with too, seems worth the tradeoff.
Finally an observation about QR code problems:
All stuff you've read about needlessly upping the density is true. The density factor only really exists for the sake of parts of the QR being covered or damaged (when used for shipping info, for example). In this use case it's much better to have a clear and simple one.
For those still having problems, one important factor with QR codes is that, while they can handle some missing information, there are important parts that must always be present. The clear squares you see in three corners of a QR must always be visibe, as well as (I think?) the remaining smaller square in the final corner. These are registration marks that gives the reader spatial information about the alignment of the QR, which will then be used to parse the information it holds. If you try and scan a QR and any of these corner blocks aren't visible, no QR reader will recognise it as a valid QR.
This information really should be made more available, as people who don't understand how these codes work will be easily caught out by it.
The reasons I was avoiding it were:
- Shit 1st app with privacy concerns
- General inaction on the part of the govt making it seem that we don't have the foundations running to make the information the app provides actually useful (ease of testing, etc.)
- "Open source" app that can't be compiled into something that works (I have tried compiling the app in android studio and it seems that without dockerising my own local version of the govt hosted server I can't). There are issues on github highlighting this. I didn't spend excessive time working on it so can't confirm this assumption with certainty.
- An unwillingness to be part of the first wave of testers due to my lack of faith and wanting to hear from some privacy experts (I've now been convinced that they are pretty much following the Apple/Google protocol which is private by design)
- General Malaise
- Working from home and rarely leaving the house
It does seem that, albeit no where near enough on its' own, the decentralised Apple/Google protocol (that I already knew about, but with how the govt has handled everything didn't trust their implementation) is an easy and fairly safe way of protecting people around me. I dispair of not being able to install the app by compiling from build, but this privacy risk is less than minimal. The added protection it gives not just me, but people I come into contact with too, seems worth the tradeoff.
Finally an observation about QR code problems:
All stuff you've read about needlessly upping the density is true. The density factor only really exists for the sake of parts of the QR being covered or damaged (when used for shipping info, for example). In this use case it's much better to have a clear and simple one.
For those still having problems, one important factor with QR codes is that, while they can handle some missing information, there are important parts that must always be present. The clear squares you see in three corners of a QR must always be visibe, as well as (I think?) the remaining smaller square in the final corner. These are registration marks that gives the reader spatial information about the alignment of the QR, which will then be used to parse the information it holds. If you try and scan a QR and any of these corner blocks aren't visible, no QR reader will recognise it as a valid QR.
This information really should be made more available, as people who don't understand how these codes work will be easily caught out by it.
elbows
Well-Known Member
This looming improvement seems worth mentioning but I am tired today so I dont have much to add right now.
Coronavirus: NHS Covid-19 app to gain self-isolation payments
An update due as soon as next week will let users on low incomes get support if told to stay at home.
www.bbc.co.uk
Spandex
A crazy bulbous punchbag of sound
So, I just came through from putting the kids to bed and saw my phone was flashing with a message. I have a look and there's a message from the tracking app...
YOU HAVE BEEN IN CLOSE CONTACT WITH SOMEONE WHO HAS TESTED POSITIVE FOR CORONAVIRUS (COVID-19) AND YOU NEED TO SELF ISOLATE.
Oh fuck I think to myself, running through in my head how to cancel the next week. So I click on the 'I Understand' button and:
I need to self isolate until midnight tonight??!?
At first I thought there must be some mistake, but it seems the app calculates how long since you had the contact and only makes you isolate for the remaining 'at risk' period. I guess I was with someone days ago who's taken a while to get ill, get tested and then for the alert to come through. It's a bit fucking shit that I should've been self isolating all week and I only find out three and a half hours before the end of the isolation period.
I feel fine (touch wood). I'll make the most of the next three hours at home self isolating.
YOU HAVE BEEN IN CLOSE CONTACT WITH SOMEONE WHO HAS TESTED POSITIVE FOR CORONAVIRUS (COVID-19) AND YOU NEED TO SELF ISOLATE.
Oh fuck I think to myself, running through in my head how to cancel the next week. So I click on the 'I Understand' button and:
I need to self isolate until midnight tonight??!?
At first I thought there must be some mistake, but it seems the app calculates how long since you had the contact and only makes you isolate for the remaining 'at risk' period. I guess I was with someone days ago who's taken a while to get ill, get tested and then for the alert to come through. It's a bit fucking shit that I should've been self isolating all week and I only find out three and a half hours before the end of the isolation period.
I feel fine (touch wood). I'll make the most of the next three hours at home self isolating.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
It'll be a challenge, it's a lonely thing to go through, but try not to accidentally go out to the shop until tomorrow morning.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Yeah, I posted something about this in the 'personal consequences' thread. It's not entirely uncommon from what I've heard, although 1 day is quite rare! There's a load of places where the delay could have come; the original contact's test, their use or the app or not, their willingness to provide their contacts details, T&T being able to get through to them, etc. It does mean you're almost certainly in the clear re: being infected or infectious though when you got that!
cybershot
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Older iPhones now support Covid exposure notifications with a software update.
9to5mac.com
Apple releases iOS 12.5 for older iPhones with support for COVID-19 exposure notifications - 9to5Mac
Apple has released iOS 12.5 for older iPhone models today, bringing support for COVID-19 exposure notifications. This is a major...
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