New Series of Dr Who

[Iguana]

The box thing was the biggest bestest prison in the world, it was always gonna have a bit more to it than a bleeding yale lock. It had to keep its prisoner alive for all eternity and then some,

Why? The prison was built in a misguided attempt to prevent the Doctor from destroying existence. There was absolutely no reason for it to keep him alive, in fact if he died it would have served it's misguided intentions all the better.

I think some people have an extremely broad conception of what constitutes a deus ex machina.

A deus ex machina (Latin for "god from the machine"; plural: dei ex machina) is a plot device whereby a seemingly inextricable problem is suddenly and abruptly solved with the contrived and unexpected intervention of some new character, ability, or object.

The utterly bizarre and brand new ability of the Pandorica to resurrect the dead is clearly a DEM, designed to resolve both Amy's death and restore the universe.

The also bizarre ability of the exploded TARDIS to maintain all life on earth due to it having a contrived 'eye of a storm' for exactly the right amount of time necessary for Amelia to release Amy also falls into that definition.

The only question is whether the Pandorica's three different types of resurrection power counts as one DEM or three. I feel three but I can see how someone might count it as just one.

 

[holteman]

that was pretty much the first thought that occurred to me whilst watching

Well If its true.... I claim my life time supply of hobnobs!

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

I shall need top watch it again, but that was a pretty cracking finale. As confirmed by the idiots on here who didn't like it and are whining like five year olds. STFU and learn to understand the genre or stick to yer porn ya eejits.

get to fuck

i am a professional geek i eat doctor who for breakfast and shit Babylon 5

and as much as i love doctor who i will point out it's flaws...

i don't think your a proper fan till you nitpick an episode

i own books on continuity errors in star trek that's the level i'm on

you can call us saddo loser geeks if you want
hell you can even call us wrong on the issue
but don't try to suggest that the people complaining don't understand the genre

 

[Stigmata]

The utterly bizarre and brand new ability of the Pandorica to resurrect the dead is clearly a DEM, designed to resolve both Amy's death and restore the universe.

It's not that bizarre- it's a stasis box that preserved what life was left in her. If anything that's the most credible technological contrivance in the whole story.

As for the universe being stored in the Pandorica- it's Pandora's Box. You know how the story goes. You may not think it makes sense scientifically but narratively it's completely logical.

 

[DotCommunist]

Shippy, I understand the genre. It is my favourite thing in the world. Give me a nice scifi book and a glass of cider after I have had a blowie and s ome egg n chips and I am the happiest man alive.

But even I am not quite sure that the pandorica-powered recreation of the ENTIR FUCKING TARDIS, YOU KNOW THE POCKET UNIVERSE THAT TRAVERSES TIME AND SPACE ITSELF. is going to be possible just given a bit of frowning from our Pond.

I really enjoyed it but it isn't even remotely sane to claim that it had made sense. Science fantasy.

 

[belboid]

Why? The prison was built in a misguided attempt to prevent the Doctor from destroying existence. There was absolutely no reason for it to keep him alive, in fact if he died it would have served it's misguided intentions all the better.

if that was the case, why didnt they just kill him?

The utterly bizarre and brand new ability of the Pandorica to resurrect the dead is clearly a DEM, designed to resolve both Amy's death and restore the universe.

she wasn't dead. So you argument is totally kaput

The also bizarre ability of the exploded TARDIS to maintain all life on earth due to it having a contrived 'eye of a storm' for exactly the right amount of time necessary for Amelia to release Amy also falls into that definition.

no it doesnt

 

[Lord Camomile]

But why could it fly?!?

 

[DotCommunist]

I'm at a total loss to understand how vastly advanced alien technology can operate in a manner that doesn't seem logical from where I stand.

 

[belboid]

get to fuck

i am a professional geek i eat doctor who for breakfast and shit Babylon 5

and as much as i love doctor who i will point out it's flaws...

i don't think your a proper fan till you nitpick an episode

i own books on continuity errors in star trek that's the level i'm on

you can call us saddo loser geeks if you want
hell you can even call us wrong on the issue
but don't try to suggest that the people complaining don't understand the genre

nothing in there about family entertainment, you have to get them both y'know...

 

[belboid]

But why could it fly?!?

was it the doctors magic farts?

 

[Lord Camomile]

I'm at a total loss to understand how vastly advanced alien technology can operate in a manner that doesn't seem logical from where I stand.

So Moffat moves in mysterious ways?

 

[DotCommunist]

When writing sci fi you can either be hard SF and play by the rules or hand your science testicles in at the door before going off on one.

Doctor who has never made any attempt at the former..

 

[Lord Camomile]

When writing sci fi you can either be hard SF and play by the rules or hand your science testicles in at the door before going off on one.

Doctor who has never made any attempt at the former..

Of course not, but the hard/soft science issue is different from logical consitency.

Just don't understand why someone would build a prison that could be flown by the captive

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

Just don't understand why someone would build a prison that could be flown by the captive

The Doctor used River's vortex manipulator to move it I thought?

 

[Lord Camomile]

The Doctor used River's vortex manipulator to move it I thought?

Alright, p'raps, though that vortex manipulator was getting a bit sonic-screwdrivery with all its different situation-saving uses...

 

[TrippyLondoner]

Alright, p'raps, though that vortex manipulator was getting a bit sonic-screwdrivery with all its different situation-saving uses...

Its doctor who ffs, stop thinking too much.

 

[Lord Camomile]

Its doctor who ffs, stop thinking too much.

Is that what we want to teach the kids?

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

nothing in there about family entertainment, you have to get them both y'know...

wait so none of classic who was family entertainment? star trek isn't family entertainment?

what is this mystical family entertainment thing and why is it seemingly link to dullness and unanswered questions

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

Shippy, I understand the genre. It is my favourite thing in the world. Give me a nice scifi book and a glass of cider after I have had a blowie and s ome egg n chips and I am the happiest man alive.

But even I am not quite sure that the pandorica-powered recreation of the ENTIR FUCKING TARDIS, YOU KNOW THE POCKET UNIVERSE THAT TRAVERSES TIME AND SPACE ITSELF. is going to be possible just given a bit of frowning from our Pond.

I really enjoyed it but it isn't even remotely sane to claim that it had made sense. Science fantasy.

i totally agree with you

the only reason i'm willing to forgive it of it sins is IT'S NOT FUCKING DEFEATING THE MASTER WITH A FUCKING CAREBEAR STARE ARGGGGHHHH!!!!

you know i could just about buy everything else it's just that last fucking bit where there is no fucking explanation nothing shown from the doctors point of view and not a single bit of reason behind it she just fucking wishes the doctor back into existance

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

When writing sci fi you can either be hard SF and play by the rules or hand your science testicles in at the door before going off on one.

Doctor who has never made any attempt at the former..

it feels at least a bit more honest than trek which tries so hard to be scientific with all it's technologies but really all they are doing is the more bullshit version of reversing the neutron flow

 

[Stigmata]

you know i could just about buy everything else it's just that last fucking bit where there is no fucking explanation nothing shown from the doctors point of view and not a single bit of reason behind it she just fucking wishes the doctor back into existance

She's got mad reality-bending mental skillz as a result of that ruddy crack on her wall. She can recall things that were lost.

Can't remember the Dalek invasion though, that's still a rum old puzzle

 

[Maurice Picarda]

Can't remember the Dalek invasion though, that's still a rum old puzzle

Thought it was because she was from a starless version of Earth?

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

they never really did explain that

also does this mean everything that happened was reset? or was only earth and rory's death reset?

or if brining the doctor back makes it so as everything has happened again why didn't rory die? or is he an auton again or what?

it all ends up being a but ... whatever dude we will just pick what ever shit we want to reset and leave the rest

 

[Iguana]

they never really did explain that

also does this mean everything that happened was reset? or was only earth and rory's death reset?

or if brining the doctor back makes it so as everything has happened again why didn't rory die? or is he an auton again or what?

it all ends up being a but ... whatever dude we will just pick what ever shit we want to reset and leave the rest

Rory is alive because Amy's magic crack brain wished him to be. He is human, but once the doctor appeared he remembered being plastic (he actually says it to Amy's mum after the TARDIS appears). Anyone throughout the whole series who was affected by the crack never was in this new universe. So the fishy vampires of Venice, for example, are still on their own planet and anyone who was killed by them in Italy got to continue on with their lives. This is shown by the fact that Sophie from Peep Show is seen at the wedding even though she was killed by Prisoner Zero in The Eleventh Hour.

I'm not sure why Amy's brain is still affected by the crack now that the crack has never happened other cause she's so magic and special.

 

[Santino]

I'm not sure why Amy's brain is still affected by the crack now that the crack has never happened other cause she's so magic and special.

Because she's a time traveller. Once you spend time in the TARDIS you get sort of immune to time changing like that. It's a fairly well-established thing on Doctor Who.

 

[belboid]

they never really did explain that

did you pay any attention while you were watching? or were you too distracted by ms gillan's legs????

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

did you pay any attention while you were watching? or were you too distracted by ms gillan's legs????

of course i paid attention

as for sexual stimulation my manga reading protects me against such pathetic attempts at subduction she doesn't even have fox ears ffs

 

[DotCommunist]

Because she's a time traveller. Once you spend time in the TARDIS you get sort of immune to time changing like that. It's a fairly well-established thing on Doctor Who.

yup, moving between/within time streams makes you a special case. That travel means you aren't subject to the normal rulses. Which is total bollocks, yeah, but we are talking about a semi-immortal alien who travels time in a 1950s police box that contains a pocket universe powered by a link to a tame singularity. So verisimilitude sort of left the building a while back.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

tl;dr

ok so what about the starship uk ... did they go to that or not is the wale free or doomed to electroshock therapy?

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

It's not that bizarre- it's a stasis box that preserved what life was left in her. .

She was dead.

It also brought back a dalek that had never existed (but left echos???) with light inside. It did this in a second or two but took thousands of years to fix Amy, who did at least exist.