That was coming as soon as they said Paradox machine.
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That was coming as soon as they said Paradox machine.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
you wouldnt know the truth if it hit you in the face screaming 'I'm the truth, asshole'
o rly.
tho i do agree that the telemovie was utter utter pish.
Shippou-Sensei
4:1:2.5
the correct response is ya rly but i digress
ok so at least you know the telemovie was shit (although the set was quite good and mccoy was good and macgann would have been alright if it wasn't for the script)
but really why the hell would you want to defend those particular episodes? what is the good you see in them?
it's nopt like i'm dismissing new doctor who... i liked quite a few episodes and i even understand some of the dicision they have made even if i don't totally agree with them
for example i don't hate some over emotional bits... i thought the van gogh was blatantly going into mawkish territory but i felt it worked for that episode the highs and lows of the show worked well with the highs and lows of the charactor the show is based around that a reasonable story choice
what i object too is fairytale style writing for no other reason than to give a false idea of epicness the "big" episodes of the RTD era really did this a lot... treating the doctor like a simi mythical god like figure to give a feeling of importance to the character... this pisses me off as it's unnecessary and gets in the way of the story and the charac tor and leads to plot devices that don't make sense and in my opinion poison the feel of the show ... look at peoples favourite doctors people like tom baker, pertwee, troughton these were all people who played the underdog they were treated with scepticism and sometimes even fear but they battled through this and won and that feels like so much more of an achievement
thankfully the writers seemed to have moved away from the really dubious bit of the last few series but i think that there are still areas i disagree with for example giving all the companions mysterious universe bending powers... really not good ... companions always worked best as watsons to the doctors holmes... and i'm not saying they should just be screamers remeber watson was a genuis in his own right and holmes relied on him very much and the companions can be like that too for example romana
but anyway i'm just ranting now... you can belive what you want that's your right but i'd be carefull about dismissing the nay sayers on this thread
ok so at least you know the telemovie was shit (although the set was quite good and mccoy was good and macgann would have been alright if it wasn't for the script)
but really why the hell would you want to defend those particular episodes? what is the good you see in them?
it's nopt like i'm dismissing new doctor who... i liked quite a few episodes and i even understand some of the dicision they have made even if i don't totally agree with them
for example i don't hate some over emotional bits... i thought the van gogh was blatantly going into mawkish territory but i felt it worked for that episode the highs and lows of the show worked well with the highs and lows of the charactor the show is based around that a reasonable story choice
what i object too is fairytale style writing for no other reason than to give a false idea of epicness the "big" episodes of the RTD era really did this a lot... treating the doctor like a simi mythical god like figure to give a feeling of importance to the character... this pisses me off as it's unnecessary and gets in the way of the story and the charac tor and leads to plot devices that don't make sense and in my opinion poison the feel of the show ... look at peoples favourite doctors people like tom baker, pertwee, troughton these were all people who played the underdog they were treated with scepticism and sometimes even fear but they battled through this and won and that feels like so much more of an achievement
thankfully the writers seemed to have moved away from the really dubious bit of the last few series but i think that there are still areas i disagree with for example giving all the companions mysterious universe bending powers... really not good ... companions always worked best as watsons to the doctors holmes... and i'm not saying they should just be screamers remeber watson was a genuis in his own right and holmes relied on him very much and the companions can be like that too for example romana
but anyway i'm just ranting now... you can belive what you want that's your right but i'd be carefull about dismissing the nay sayers on this thread
Iguana
Well-Known Member
Thing is though a lot of the Doctor as god stuff from the RTD era also came from Moffat's episodes. The 'Lonely God' from The Girl in the Fireplace and River banging on about just what he would become in his future/her past. And he's said that he sees Doctor Who as a fairy tale rather than science fiction, that the scientific explanations for the 'magic' are token. Moffat sees it entirely as a fairytale rather than a science fiction show.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
No problems with that. I can't wait for the king of fairytale telling, Gaiman, to impress next season.
ATOMIC SUPLEX
Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3
I think you have got things a little mixed up. Fine by me if you have a high threshold for badly written turds, but it jars with me.
Your posts on this subject are (unless you are just trolling now) are childish and moronic.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
well, I liked the bits you were slagging off. Overall, the stories didn't quite work, all got a bit messy, and somethng of a waste of a great build up. But everyone having the masters face, superb bit of drama, and that's what it's about at the end of the day, being good drama.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Look, we've already proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that you dont understand how TV drama works, so stop embarassing yourself. Kindly go elsewhere to whinge lie a six year old that you didn't get all your toys from Father Christmas.
Agreed. But Amy's super-powers are over now the crack in time is gone, so she'll be a normal companion next season. I wonder if Rory has retained his Auton gun?
ATOMIC SUPLEX
Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3
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Nobody proved anything. Beyond a shadow of a doubt? I think there are more nay-sayers here than not and I think that's a little more than a mere 'shadow'. Are you still bleating on about how it's ok to write rubbish because it's being done on the fly or for children. Your expectance of poor writing due to circumstance (whatever that might be) does not make it good writing.
I said I thought some of the series was ok and fairly enjoyable but the lazy writing and 'magic' fixes ruined it. I'm not a new who fan so I'm not throwing my toys out of the pram, I'm just making a comment. I don't know why you feel the need to be such a schoolboy dick about it. Odd.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
corrected for you
ATOMIC SUPLEX
Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3
Who said that bit wasn't good?
Good drama comes from an element of 'drama', we all know that the Doctor won't die (but his assistants might*), but now we don't even need to know 'how' he saves the day. It just happens. That's not drama.
*Plus we now expect dead assistants to come back to from alternate realities, their brains exploding after remembering the doctor or 'actual' death anyway. Where is the drama in that?
ATOMIC SUPLEX
Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3
Which only goes to prove my point.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
all just proves you cant read english or television.
We did see how he saved the day, so that criticism is just silly. Do you pay any attention?
As this series is done, and as I have no interest in no interest in the ill-formed and ill-informed opinion of a child like AS, I'll probly leave this thread and await, and then be somewhat disappointed by, the Xmas special.
Shippou-Sensei
4:1:2.5
drama?
it was pure comedy
doctor who meets the league of gentlemen
but i'll admit it kinda worked as something so out there you can't complain about it... it's really hanging a hat on the ridiculousness
Shippou-Sensei
4:1:2.5
that quite intresting, perhaps it isn't the farytale aspect i object to as much as the false veneer of importance moffat hints at what is possible rather than throws it in you face perhaps the hints of the doctors future a bit link classics who's hints about rassilion... the less said the better
mrsfran
Well-Known Member
So why where there no ducks in the duck pond?
Because the pond is too full of red herring.
I still think the ducks were taken by a crack but the pond remains like the rooms in Ponds house.
PursuedByBears
Go stick your head in a pig
I was thinking that the ducks were like the dolphins in the Hitch-Hikers Guide...
ATOMIC SUPLEX
Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3
Wow what a tool you are, and you are really taking this all to heart aren't you? Don't worry it's all over now dear.
Ok maybe 'save the day' should have been 'come back from nowhere with a very broad 'magic' explanation for the last ep, but I was talking about new who in general not just the one ep. Come on, you are accusing me of not reading.
I can't imagine why this all gets your goat so much. Did you write it? Just relax, it's just TV, and not even well written TV at that (you did write it didn't you!!).
TheHoodedClaw
acknowledging ur soup leg
You have a bit of history on this board of being a negative creep, about pretty much everything. I can't imagine why people react against you.
Iguana
Well-Known Member
Shippou-Sensei
4:1:2.5
jesus
atomic suplex urbans axis of evil
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TheHoodedClaw
acknowledging ur soup leg
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
TheHoodedClaw
acknowledging ur soup leg
Not that it matters, and I know nothing about the culture and hug-pillows you love, but at least you like things. AS never seems to do. It's just hate.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Atomic Suplex generally rails like the last free man against anything he considers poor writing but it is the salt to a dish of people (including me) going 'oh that was fucking awesome'
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
He likes loads of things! His gorgeous daughter, his music, his cooking! Maybe you just like different things to him and your paths don't converge much.
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