belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
except it didnt.
that could possibly have been mnainly for someone else. The DEM thing was for you tho
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that could possibly have been mnainly for someone else. The DEM thing was for you tho
Gromit
International Man of Misery
Sorry to quote myself but a thought on the above...
So if the light of the Pandorica could restore a dying Amy back to full health...
And the light was broadcast to every moment in time....
.... wouldn't that mean every being who had at some point in time would had been on the point of death wouldn't have gone on to have met their death as they had previously but instead have been restored to full health...
....Creating no end of grandfather paradoxes etc.?
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
Hush you.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
there wouldnt be any grandfather paradoxes necesarily (I dont think). But there would be an awful lot more non-dead people
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
That's why it was a little DES
but you didnt complain then, so its too late to do so now. It's like playing advantage in kickball.
Gromit
International Man of Misery
Sure their would. Every kid who ever died before passing on their genes would be alive to live to adulthood and (posibily - providing they didn't meet another early death) end up dating someone who might orginally have dated someone else etc. etc.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Yeah, but it was specially for Amy that she came back to life and not lots of nearly & recently dead people.
Actually, thinking back to my Hamilton comparison, I'd like to see Amy take the role of The Second Dreamer in the Dreaming Void books, cos she has loads of properly hot sex.
Actually, thinking back to my Hamilton comparison, I'd like to see Amy take the role of The Second Dreamer in the Dreaming Void books, cos she has loads of properly hot sex.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
*jumps in time machine and goes back to issue yellow card*
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
thats not the grandfather paradox.
Gromit
International Man of Misery
Sorry I meant reverse grandfather paradox.
Instead of killing your grandfather who would have led to your existance we have a situation where lots of grandfathers who never were become grandfathers and affect the existance of others who would have been if it wasn't for their existance.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
looks like the Doc & Rory have been having a merry old smoke before having those taken
Iguana
Well-Known Member
Really? So the really tough prison devised in order to lock away someone who was so dangerous it is feared they will destroy existence is also a resurrection machine. That's an enormous fucking DEM right there. And not only does it resurrect it's prisoner for no good reason but it will also resurrect anything who's light it shines upon. Oh look this machine has two fucking ghosts, or at least it would if it didn't keep bring everything back to life. And so bloody amazing is this prison if flown into an exploding TARDIS it will restart the exact same universe.
That's before we get to the explosion so huge it can simultaneously wipe out all of existence by virtue of the fact that it happens everywhen that has ever been. Yet it manages to have an eye of the storm, even though it's not a storm it's an explosion, and within that eye anything from earth can keep going for 2000 years until just a few minutes after Amelia opens the box. That's a pretty fucking enormous DEM, it's at least as big as the spirit of the second last space whale. I mean it's not as fucking stupid as everyone on earth magic wishing the wizened old Doctor into good health, but it still falls apart the minute you apply any modicum of thought.
Worst of all the new universe will erase all the damage done by the explosion so almost every single character who died this series gets another shot at a long life. Once again Moffat has everyone live.
Iguana
Well-Known Member
Or some people just don't find shitty writing to be an awful lot of fun in the first place.
It's not as if the people who didn't like it watched and thought it was great and then sat down to write down all the reasons that could ruin their enjoyment. I didn't find any joy in it in the first place as it was badly put together.
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
Iguana
Well-Known Member
Just because I'm clearly the Van Gogh to your French peasant is no need to get nasty. I just happen to be able to see all the ghosts you are blind to.
Stigmata
sexual tyrannosaurus
I think some people have an extremely broad conception of what constitutes a deus ex machina.
If you really want a watertight plot with no contrivances or conveniences go and watch something else. I'd make suggestions but I honestly can't think of anything.
Also I was half convinced the fez was going to stay
If you really want a watertight plot with no contrivances or conveniences go and watch something else. I'd make suggestions but I honestly can't think of anything.
Also I was half convinced the fez was going to stay
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Just because I'm clearly the Van Gogh to your French peasant is no need to get nasty. I just happen to be able to see all the ghosts you are blind to.
i put 'mate' in
And you're just wrong.
The box thing was the biggest bestest prison in the world, it was always gonna have a bit more to it than a bleeding yale lock. It had to keep its prisoner alive for all eternity and then some, it it had to have life preserving (and thus resuscitating - a different thing to resurrecting, if you're complaining about 'bad writing'...) qualities. And cos it is so powerful, it's abilities will work within a small field outside of itself. Even microwaves can manage that, so its hardly surprising the best prison ever does as well.
As for the reboot, firstly, it required the tardis, and the tardis is a pretty big and clever object and it was that that was touching every point in the universe, and no ones complained about the Tardis' ability to occupy various points in space and time simultaneously.
As for the 'memory of the entire universe' thing, I refer you to Marcel Proust, and don't try and tell me he wasn't a good writer.
Entirely and neatly consistent and non-fantastic at all.
Except maybe the flying thing....
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
aye, some people seem to think it means 'something I didn't like/get immediately'
Gromit
International Man of Misery
I have to agree with Stigmata that DEM is being applied here to things that aren't.
A DEM is something that is invented last minute to escape an impossible situation.
A lot of the mechanisms relating to the final show had been pre-established.
The only real DEM is the Doctor travelling backward for no justified reason.
A DEM is something that is invented last minute to escape an impossible situation.
A lot of the mechanisms relating to the final show had been pre-established.
The only real DEM is the Doctor travelling backward for no justified reason.
holteman
( . Y . )
There you go perfect start to the next series....."Fuck i resurrected the Time Lords!!!"
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
that was pretty much the first thought that occurred to me whilst watching
TrippyLondoner
Well-Known Member
Just watched the last episode having been away and missed it, bloody great way to finish the series. Far better than anything RTD could ever come up with that's for sure. 
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