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its a family show so youre not going to get shakepearian levels of writing, remember its got to have a fluffy resolution for the kids not us sad 30 sometihngs who like to pick it apart.

I think people sometimes miss that point and lose the enjoyment

*shrugs*
 
noooooooooooooooooooooo

bad boy go to your room

family show and fluffyness does not excuse shit writing

i do have some sympathy for the writers due to the time limit in the shows (15 more minuites could have made for a lot more explanation) but the for kids excuse does not wash writing for kids can be good and fluffy at the same time... moffat can do it it just that this episode was not his best

i enjoyed it but i will hjapply point out the flaws
 
Shippou-Chan said:
noooooooooooooooooooooo

bad boy go to your room

family show and fluffyness does not excuse shit writing

i do have some sympathy for the writers due to the time limit in the shows (15 more minuites could have made for a lot more explanation) but the for kids excuse does not wash writing for kids can be good and fluffy at the same time... moffat can do it it just that this episode was not his best

i enjoyed it but i will hjapply point out the flaws
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LOL :D

but I didnt actually think the writing was all that shit , dunno if that was cause i didnt take it too seriously and took if for what I this it was , entertaining family nonsense :)
 
it was a bit cop-outie on rewatch but not RTD level. And they are writing science fantasy so really, fairytale finishes can be excused so long as the don't suck balls. And this did not suck balls.
 
Load of old pants, quite frankly. Terrible series finale. Plot holes everywhere, more deus ex machina than Rose taking the Tardis in her head and wiping out the Daleks. Poor. Hopefully the next series concentrating on The Silence, along with more River Song, will be an improvement.

I do like Smith's version of the Dr tho.
 
I'm going to torrent Moll Flanders later, as I recall it being an excellent story with lots of pathos and plotting to enjoy. One handed.
 
ruffneck23 said:
its a family show so youre not going to get shakepearian levels of writing, remember its got to have a fluffy resolution for the kids not us sad 30 sometihngs who like to pick it apart.

I think people sometimes miss that point and lose the enjoyment

*shrugs*
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Just because it is a family show doesn't mean it has to have lazy writers. Its a big show that rakes in lots of viewers, surely they can write something that doesn't involve magic and the power of love. Jesus.

Dr who has always been a family show but it never had this level of mush and magic bollocks. There are plenty of family films and TV shows that are well written and work on levels that all ages can enjoy. It's obvious that Dr Who is aiming for this but falls a bit short for me.
 
kyser_soze said:
Load of old pants, quite frankly. Terrible series finale. Plot holes everywhere, more deus ex machina than Rose taking the Tardis in her head and wiping out the Daleks. Poor. Hopefully the next series concentrating on The Silence, along with more River Song, will be an improvement.

I do like Smith's version of the Dr tho.
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Wouldn't go as far as to say it was terrible, but your response is similar to mine. Total cop-out. If everything ever can be solved by the doctor zipping back to tell himself then what's the freaking point of ever being in a tight spot?

Now, someone tell me if I'm right or wrong: in the first weeping angels episode with Tennant, didn't the doctor explain why he couldn't zip around like that in time to tell himself shit? Or maybe I just inferred it.

Anyway, I have an intense, great, and immense loathing for Moffatt. He's a cunt of the highest order with his sexist bullshit he rolls out in Confidential. CUNT.
 
If you're going to write SF with the whole 'human emotion can save the galaxy' type guff, at least make it good guff. The final ep was just mediocre.

If everything ever can be solved by the doctor zipping back to tell himself then what's the freaking point of ever being in a tight spot?

Now, someone tell me if I'm right or wrong: in the first weeping angels episode with Tennant, didn't the doctor explain why he couldn't zip around like that in time to tell himself shit? Or maybe I just inferred it.
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Easily gotten around by the whole 'We're the last 3 people in the universe' thing. That's why it was so bad - it was even worse than the denoument of a Peter F Hamilton story. I was half expecting Amy to drag 50 star systems next to each other or something.
 
Vintage Paw said:
Wouldn't go as far as to say it was terrible, but your response is similar to mine. Total cop-out. If everything ever can be solved by the doctor zipping back to tell himself then what's the freaking point of ever being in a tight spot?

Now, someone tell me if I'm right or wrong: in the first weeping angels episode with Tennant, didn't the doctor explain why he couldn't zip around like that in time to tell himself shit? Or maybe I just inferred it.

Anyway, I have an intense, great, and immense loathing for Moffatt. He's a cunt of the highest order with his sexist bullshit he rolls out in Confidential. CUNT.
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That was with the Tardis though, not a vortex manipulator being used in a universe practically tiny because it had been eated up.
 
Vintage Paw said:
Anyway, I have an intense, great, and immense loathing for Moffatt. He's a cunt of the highest order with his sexist bullshit he rolls out in Confidential. CUNT.
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Like what? I never watch Confidential.

Vintage Paw said:
Wouldn't go as far as to say it was terrible, but your response is similar to mine. Total cop-out. If everything ever can be solved by the doctor zipping back to tell himself then what's the freaking point of ever being in a tight spot?
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Moffat's obviously never seen Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure. They parodied that pretty well 21 years ago.
 
I haven't seen the last episode yet, so I'm not reading the comments too closely.

But I thought a lot of this series had rather wobbly writing in terms of story resolutions and plot-holes and general unconvincingness.

The episode with all the inhabitants of Earth on that big space-ship with THE TERRIBLE BIG SECRET that is SO TERRIBLE that if anyone finds out they vote to have their memory erased. The story was leading you to think that their ship was being powered by child sex workers or incestuous cannibals or something.

And then it turns out that they're giving electric shocks to a big fish. The writers seriously expect us to believe that human beings would give a fuck about torturing a big tuna fish to save their skins? People do that sort of thing for fun for chrissake! They'd be queueing up to have a go!

The Van Gogh episode and the two underground lizard episodes were a bit underwhelming too. A bit "is that it?" You were expecting a bit more of a twist or something. It was like the writers just didn't know how to finish the stories properly and went down the pub.

I think the Dr Who writers need to be a bit tougher on themselves.
 
Bad ending for me too I'm afraid.

The good ending would have been the Doctor making the ultimate sacrife and actually ending.

But we want another series or two out of the franchise so we couldn't have that.

So why bother scripting a dramatic self sacrifice and then take it all back with a cop out fix.
I'd have rather he'd not been in peril at all and just send the Pandorica up by remote control.

I said I'd review Amy Pond's acting without bias and the end of the series.
Despite the fact I do fancy her lots I don't rate her acting.

She seems to only have two ranges.
Happy
Sulky spoilt girlie whose been told that no she can't have that pair of shoes she wants, car, puppy, whatever.

The last is used for all dramatic occasions. Danger, sadness, whatever.

Conclusion: Nice eye candy but not a great drama actress.
 
DotCommunist said:
explain why little redcap took the path of pins then.
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Some people theorise that it's a reference to pins representing maidenhood while needles represent sexual maturity, though given that in some versions she takes the path of needles, and in some it's not mentioned at all, it may just be a nonsense question or one meant to indicate that there's no difference between the paths.

Anyway, that's not internal consistency. Internal consistency would be if the wolf ate the grandma and that said to be absolutely permanent, but she just suddenly appeared again outside of stomach at the end of the story because the heroine was ginger. This is not consistent with wolves as described.
 
amy on her own isn't a great assistant.... she blatant was just there to be special and important

it works much better when you have more than one assistant there is a better dynamic and having rory worked really well as he played well off the doctor

i alaways think the compainion works better if there is a certain amount of distance from the doctor ... new who was a bit heavy on the doctor and companion relationship stuff
 
Shippou-Chan said:
amy on her own isn't a great assistant.... she blatant was just there to be special and important

it works much better when you have more than one assistant there is a better dynamic and having rory worked really well as he played well off the doctor

i alaways think the compainion works better if there is a certain amount of distance from the doctor ... new who was a bit heavy on the doctor and companion relationship stuff
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Whereas old who, they were just hangers on? Groupies?

Ace and McCoy's Doctor always seemed quite close. And intense.
 
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