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With duplicate threads appearing all over t'shop and lots more discussion to be had, I've made a dedicated Referendum sub-forum here EU Referendum and Brexit
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Anju
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Whoops. Maybe I should just go to bed.
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No matter the eventual outcome (and unless the Blairites force an election
I think it will be EEA)ABSOLUTELY AS IS FOR UP TO 2 YEARS (it will take 2 years)
Anudder Oik
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Why are Millenials now fucked?
stethoscope
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The working class get fucked over for years and now one cares much until they start to vote against middle class liberal interests, at which point a petition goes up for how terribly unfair everything is.
AnandLeo
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EU Referendum Results - BBC News
Good god, look at this map of the referendum results! That was a disappointing surprise. The moderates to Remain were poised to win by 52% to 48% at the time the polls were closed. However by the following morning the rebel s to leave the EU won by 52% to 48%. The map shows that except Scotland as a whole and Birmingham, the major conurbations and cities voted to Remain, and the rest countrymen voted to leave. Apparently the people who voted to leave didn’t listen to the warnings from across the country and the world, and acted on impulse of the key issues they regard as undesirable of the EU. Only political causality of the result is David Cameron, not because the conservatives lost an election or something. He lost his Premier job because people in England voted to leave the EU.
Even though there is a clamouring that the EU exit is not an amicable divorce, I think it is madness to be cantankerous about Britain leaving EU. I think there is plenty of scope for collaboration in industry, and business as usual as two independent regions subject to normal immigration controls, trade regulations, and interregional corporation. Britain and Europe should be able corporate, share and collaborate without the encumbrance of the EU as two civilised neighbours.
However, the EU exit is triggering other serious political changes in the UK, such as independence of Scotland and their wish for EU membership, and the political relationships of the Northern Ireland.
Good god, look at this map of the referendum results! That was a disappointing surprise. The moderates to Remain were poised to win by 52% to 48% at the time the polls were closed. However by the following morning the rebel s to leave the EU won by 52% to 48%. The map shows that except Scotland as a whole and Birmingham, the major conurbations and cities voted to Remain, and the rest countrymen voted to leave. Apparently the people who voted to leave didn’t listen to the warnings from across the country and the world, and acted on impulse of the key issues they regard as undesirable of the EU. Only political causality of the result is David Cameron, not because the conservatives lost an election or something. He lost his Premier job because people in England voted to leave the EU.
Even though there is a clamouring that the EU exit is not an amicable divorce, I think it is madness to be cantankerous about Britain leaving EU. I think there is plenty of scope for collaboration in industry, and business as usual as two independent regions subject to normal immigration controls, trade regulations, and interregional corporation. Britain and Europe should be able corporate, share and collaborate without the encumbrance of the EU as two civilised neighbours.
However, the EU exit is triggering other serious political changes in the UK, such as independence of Scotland and their wish for EU membership, and the political relationships of the Northern Ireland.
The Flying Pig
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I just love it how the London bubble has thrown all it's toys out the pram because us working class oiks voted to leave!
FridgeMagnet
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Look. This is a thread announcing the existence of a referendum forum. Any comments on the actual referendum would be much better added to one of the million threads in there that are about the referendum.
Working class, middle class, black, white, right and left. We all told the bubble to fuck off
Gud times m8
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Tired and unemotional
I must admit, seeing this kind of thing does rather remind me of the stereotype of the little bloke who somehow accidentally stands up to a mob of heavies and then runs around the place going "did you see what I did there? I told 'em, I did! I let 'em have it straight...", steadily embellishing the heroicism of his Big Stand as he retells the story again and again, oblivious to the longer-term consequences, which is that he now has a posse of Very Large People squinting at him and wondering exactly when to squash him like a bug.Working class, middle class, black, white, right and left. We all told the bubble to fuck off
Gud times m8
So I guess that as long as the bubble fucks off, as it was told to do, the good times can roll. Me, I'm going to find a big rock to hide behind - I could never see the point of "heroic".
ETA: FridgeMagnet's comment duly noted, but I couldn't risk losing the mental image of machine cat running around telling us all how he's told the bubble...
AnandLeo
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Is the referendum outcome truly democratic. The voice of 48 percent of the people voted is subdued. The society has assumed that whoever wins a poll is elected or determined a valid outcome. How can the wish and the voice of the party that does not gain the maximum number of votes be accommodated in a democracy. In a democratic decision making, nearly half the population voted has to relinquish their democratic rights and values. A quasi state of affairs.
Incidentally the SNP government in Scotland is in a worse off situation than the Westminster government after the EU referendum. The SNP Scottish government has no faith in the Westminster parliament of the UK, and the agenda of independence is a priority if that is realistic. The SNP Scottish government is contemplating to hold negotiations with the EU to retain the Scottish membership of the EU. This is a fallacious idea. The EU cannot and will not enter into negotiations with Scotland to remain a member nation of the EU, because Scotland is not an independent nation. To that end the Scotland has to hold another referendum for independence. That is a gamble the Scottish government has to take, and subject its population to.
Besides, becoming a new member of or re-entering into EU is anathema for UK or Scotland or any other country in the UK, because they have to accept severe conditions of membership that are not currently applicable to UK. Scotland deserves exemption from this dilemma, because they have not voted to leave the EU membership.
Incidentally the SNP government in Scotland is in a worse off situation than the Westminster government after the EU referendum. The SNP Scottish government has no faith in the Westminster parliament of the UK, and the agenda of independence is a priority if that is realistic. The SNP Scottish government is contemplating to hold negotiations with the EU to retain the Scottish membership of the EU. This is a fallacious idea. The EU cannot and will not enter into negotiations with Scotland to remain a member nation of the EU, because Scotland is not an independent nation. To that end the Scotland has to hold another referendum for independence. That is a gamble the Scottish government has to take, and subject its population to.
Besides, becoming a new member of or re-entering into EU is anathema for UK or Scotland or any other country in the UK, because they have to accept severe conditions of membership that are not currently applicable to UK. Scotland deserves exemption from this dilemma, because they have not voted to leave the EU membership.
Lazy Llama
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I'm locking this announcement thread. Please post comments about the referendum on other threads, as Fridgemagnet suggested.
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