New Labour government - legislative agenda

[Kid_Eternity]

Reeves' speech is damning. Hunt looks pissed. I couldn't loathe the Tory party more.

Hunt by name…

 

[Kid_Eternity]

It can’t be coming in next year, surely - it’s a huge technical challenge and would be just as tricky to manage politically as it was when it was floated twenty years ago.

Elaborate on the huge technical challenge, curious as from what I’ve been told it’ll just tax the supplier who’ll pass that on to the consumer. Won’t need anything new as it’s just a price adjustment

 

[Silas Loom]

Elaborate on the huge technical challenge, curious as from what I’ve been told it’ll just tax the supplier who’ll pass that on to the consumer. Won’t need anything new as it’s just a price adjustment

So, basically an electricity tax? Different set of political challenges from road pricing and clearly no technical issues, but a tough one to shove through when some people use leccy for heating.

 

[skyscraper101]

Tories shouting 'how much?' to Reeve's committing to making available funds in response to Sarah Olney of the Lib Dems.

Wes Streeting shouting back 'less than the cost of your failures' quite audibly

 

[Silas Loom]

Kid_Eternity you know most EV charging is done on domestic driveways and that even smart meters don’t break out the cost per appliance, right?

 

[two sheds]

Isn’t that the whole idea ?

well yes but it doesn't help Cornish people too much. A better approach might be to use the money try to get traffic off the road -- particularly lorries and holiday makers.

 

[belboid]

Elaborate on the huge technical challenge, curious as from what I’ve been told it’ll just tax the supplier who’ll pass that on to the consumer. Won’t need anything new as it’s just a price adjustment

What you’ve read on Twitter….

Or, more like, half read as this proposal is absolute bollocks.

 

[alex_]

well yes but it doesn't help Cornish people too much. A better approach might be to use the money try to get traffic off the road -- particularly lorries and holiday makers.

How ?

They need to fix the railway and the road.

Alex

 

[Kid_Eternity]

A very good move.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

What you’ve read on Twitter….

Or, more like, half read as this proposal is absolute bollocks.

Nope. Unlike trivial idiots like you some of us have friends actually in government.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

So, basically an electricity tax? Different set of political challenges from road pricing and clearly no technical issues, but a tough one to shove through when some people use leccy for heating.

Eh? It’ll be charged at the pump style charging. Just how fuel duty works now.

It’s just a price adjustment and no big deal at all.

 

[cupid_stunt]

well yes but it doesn't help Cornish people too much. A better approach might be to use the money try to get traffic off the road -- particularly lorries and holiday makers.

Certainly with lorries, but harder with holiday makers that will want to get around to see the sights.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Eh? It’ll be charged at the pump style charging. Just how fuel duty works now.

It’s just a price adjustment and no big deal at all.

Everyone I know with EVs charge them at home most of the time, charging when you are out and about is very expensive compared with doing it at home.

 

[two sheds]

Certainly with lorries, but harder with holiday makers that will want to get around to see the sights.

true, although good bus services might help and perhaps things like subsidized hire cars for people when they're down here.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Everyone I know with EVs charge them at home most of the time, charging when you are out and about is very expensive compared with doing it at home.

Everyone you know isn’t a number or percentage.

Once charging networks are prevalent, and faster and the transition happens more drivers will be using charging. Not everyone has a home they own and charge from.

 

[Silas Loom]

Everyone I know with EVs charge them at home most of the time, charging when you are out and about is very expensive compared with doing it at home.

Yes, going out of range happens very, very rarely - it would essentially be a tax on holidaying in the UK.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Good stuff

 

[redsquirrel]

No. Just quoting it here to share it for people who might not have access to the source.

Against the rules. FFS if you can't even give one sentence about how you feel about it don't bother posting and go onto twitter.

 

[Pickman's model]

Nope. Unlike trivial idiots like you some of us have friends actually in government.

with friends like yours who needs enemies?

 

[cupid_stunt]

true, although good bus services might help ...

We don't even have that in Sussex, it's not going to happen in the much more rural Cornwall.

 

[belboid]

Nope. Unlike trivial idiots like you some of us have friends actually in government.

Naah, you dont.

 

[Pickman's model]

A very good move.

but you can't or won't say why it is a good move

 

[Pickman's model]

Reeves' speech is damning. Hunt looks pissed. I couldn't loathe the Tory party more.

you'll be surprised how much more you can hate the tory party

 

[cupid_stunt]

Everyone you know isn’t a number or percentage.

Once charging networks are prevalent, and faster and the transition happens more drivers will be using charging. Not everyone has a home they own and charge from.

No, most people will charge at home for many, many years, because it's so much cheaper.

 

[Silas Loom]

Everyone you know isn’t a number or percentage.

Once charging networks are prevalent, and faster and the transition happens more drivers will be using charging. Not everyone has a home they own and charge from.

Range is increasing all the time, and there’s always going to be a cost penalty for using public charging infrastructure compared with domestic. Most people have homes. EV owners in particular.

I completely agree that something needs to be done to replace fuel duty and I’m sure there are some good ideas kicking around, but taxes on public charging won’t help much and could be counterproductive.

 

[belboid]

No, most people will charge at home for many, many years, because it's so much cheaper.

especially if they bunged charges onto the charging stations!

Anyone who thinks for a mminmute will realise how this is a terrible idea.

 

[Pickman's model]

especially if they bunged charges onto the charging stations!

Anyone who thinks for a mminmute will realise how this is a terrible idea.

for kid eternity it'll be a period of reflection lasting several months before he sees that

 

[two sheds]

We don't even have that in Sussex, it's not going to happen in the much more rural Cornwall.

fair point, although some of that A30's £330 million might go some way to help. Get lorries off the road by putting loads on trains would help, and lessen the need for road repairs.

Different issue but it would be nice to see initiatives like the Train Taxis they have in the Netherlands - can get train ticket which covers taxi to wherever you need to go in a city, The taxi (minicab) waits until there are 7 or 8 people then goes round and drops everyone off.

 

[PR1Berske]

Against the rules. FFS if you can't even give one sentence about how you feel about it don't bother posting and go onto twitter.

I post my feelings on plenty of things on this forum. When the context requires just an update, or just sharing info, then I do that.

I'm not just posting memes or random comments, it's constructive and necessary.

 

[redsquirrel]

Right so give some content - what are your thoughts on Reeves statement?

For my part I think the claims that Labour didn't now this stuff do not really stand up. It was always clear that the LP was not dealing with the issue - as pointed out by those radical commies the IFS.