Indeed, definitively axed.
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I'm struggling to comprehend just how evil Starmer is.
andysays
Love and solidarity
I'm sure there will be plenty more examples to choose from over the coming months.
More about the vote and the suspensions
Labour suspends seven rebel MPs over two-child benefit cap
LakieLady
Well-Known Member
What is particularly unfair about this is that it doesn't apply to child benefit itself. People who are on good incomes will still get child benefit for 3rd and subsequent children, but the very poorest, who rely on means-tested benefits, don't get any additional money in their Universal Credit or child tax credits for having another child.
It also disproportionately affects women, because they are the resident parent in most single parent families, earn less than men on average, and are therefore more likely to be reliant on benefits. Families who come from cultures where having lots of children are also more likely to be affected.
Utter bastards, the lot of them, except for the rebels.
It also disproportionately affects women, because they are the resident parent in most single parent families, earn less than men on average, and are therefore more likely to be reliant on benefits. Families who come from cultures where having lots of children are also more likely to be affected.
Utter bastards, the lot of them, except for the rebels.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
It's really easy to understand
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Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
He's certainly banal as well.
I knew the self defined 'unapologetic zionist' was pure evil but these suspensions even exceeded my expectations of the bastard. Three out of seven are 'Muslim' MPs but who cares, Starmer has already stated he couldn't give a shit about the Muslim vote.
I'll stop now for my blood pressure.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Many stripey backs
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
"Vote Labour to get the Tories out," they said. 
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
so no one from labour on tele this morn defending the move.
meet the new boss..."Vote Labour to get the Tories out," they said.
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
I don't know enough about the process... I'm assuming the 7 can't vote on anything while suspended? If so, Starmer will already have removed a few "pro-Palestine" votes.
Silas Loom
Hated by both sides
I don't know enough about the process... I'm assuming the 7 can't vote on anything while suspended? If so, Starmer will already have removed a few "pro-Palestine" votes.
They can vote, the only difference is that they are not obliged to follow a whip.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
LOL. Such a gentle way of putting "EXPELLED FROM THE PLP".
They sit as Independents now.
Silas Loom
Hated by both sides
It’s suspension rather than expulsion though.
The King’s Speech is a finance bill, so technically it’s a vote of confidence. Voting for another party’s amendment against a three line whip is basically asking for suspension.
wtfftw
melting like a toastie
I agree.
wtfftw
melting like a toastie
They could "lift the two child benefit cap" but it would make no material difference as the actual benefit cap is in place.
eg. Greater London. single parent, private rent.
UC housing component is capped at LHA amount - my postcode 2 beds is £1545pm
single adult over 25. £393.45
child element x1 £287.92
= £2226
The benefit cap (not the 2 child limit cap) if you’re a single parent and your children live with you is £2,110.25 in greater london. Benefit cap
Ig if you have lower rent you might not cap out before your third child?
ETA: Just tried a Newcastle LHA amount. you could have three children and not reach the main benefit cap.
eg. Greater London. single parent, private rent.
UC housing component is capped at LHA amount - my postcode 2 beds is £1545pm
single adult over 25. £393.45
child element x1 £287.92
= £2226
The benefit cap (not the 2 child limit cap) if you’re a single parent and your children live with you is £2,110.25 in greater london. Benefit cap
Ig if you have lower rent you might not cap out before your third child?
ETA: Just tried a Newcastle LHA amount. you could have three children and not reach the main benefit cap.
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Chz
Stark Raving Sane
This is the Sad But True of it. There are other ways to protest and try to pass legislation against the cap, but they chose the worst (from the PLP's POV) way of doing it.
Not commenting on right or wrong, but that is how the system works and has always worked. None of them should be surprised in the least.
andysays
Love and solidarity
They basically count as Independent MPs for now*, so can't attend (or vote at) any meetings of the PLP.
I don't know if there are other potential Parliamentary consequences like not being able to serve on committees or similar
* I read somewhere that the suspension is likely to last for 6 months
She’s not. She’s just being contrarian.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
A) None of them are in the least surprised. Zarah Sultana says she slept well last night.
B) It is not the way 'the system has always worked'. Suspension was not inevitable. Blair never suspended the 47 MPs who did a similar thing in a similar situation in 1997. This is a completely intolerant approach from Starmer. Even people who followed the Whip are appalled.
The Nottingham East MP, Nadia Whittome, who did not vote for the amendment but spoke earlier in favour of abolishing the cap, said: “The government’s approach to party discipline has been appalling. No MP should have lost the whip for their vote this evening, especially on a policy that almost everyone in Labour opposes.
“Our party has a huge majority. If it is to govern from a position of strength, it should be able to tolerate disagreement without making threats and employing the most severe punishments.”
“This does not breed a healthy culture,” she added. “If MPs are unable to stand up to the frontbench when they think they’re wrong, the government is more likely to make poor decisions.”
The really funny thing of course is that Labour might (according to some observers) actually U-turn on the cap anyway at a later date. In which case they will have suspended 7 MPs for upholding principles the Party actually backs. Though I'm not holding my breath on that one it is a view expressed by supposedly a majority of Labour MPs.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
"I am not a tribal politician"* - but here we are. 'I'm not a tribal politician, I'm just not having other individuals make up their own minds, deliver on their own conscience, for a bill proposed BY ANOTHER PARTY.'
* And what is the subtext of this non-tribal rubbish? It just means 'I hate the Left'. Have the balls to say it.
* And what is the subtext of this non-tribal rubbish? It just means 'I hate the Left'. Have the balls to say it.
Silas Loom
Hated by both sides
BBC News | UK | Blair suffers in benefits revolt
news.bbc.co.uk
There was a three line whip in 1997 but it wasn’t a finance bill. This stuff matters to parliamentarians.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Chz
Stark Raving Sane
This is how it's been for over a century. Find me an MP who didn't lose the whip for voting against their own government's finance bill. There are rules and conventions in Parliament. MPs are free to break them, but there will be consequences for it. Compare it to the Maastricht vote.
Or just what do you think it means to vote against your own government on a confidence bill?
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
I'm not sure that Rooker and Wise actually lost the whip
EDIT: Also it's all silly parliamentary games but
EDIT: Also it's all silly parliamentary games but
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