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When did you stop being allowed to make contact with another player?
Netherlands v Mexico (Knockout Stage) Sunday 29th June 2014
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fakeplasticgirl
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Onket
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In the penalty area, without touching the ball.
purves grundy
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knew they'd win
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Not true. There's plenty of contact that can be made without winning the ball, which isn't a penalty. Marquez touched Robben's foot, but that doesn't make it a foul.
Onket
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I thought It did. I don't agree that it should, but I thought that was the rule.
Seems like the refs think that is the rule, anyway.
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Apparently the rule is this: http://www.thefa.com/football-rules...ball-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct.aspx
I guess the referee gave it on the basis that it was a 'trip', but in my opinion, touching Robben's foot, only for Robben to throw himself to the ground, doesn't constitute a trip.
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It's not a very good definition though, is it? Careless could mean anything. I just think football is a contact sport, and that means occasionally you'll get players touching each other. Robben wasn't impeded, so in my opinion it's no foul. Fabio Cannavaro agrees with me.
Lord Camomile
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Wasn't he? It will have disrupted his movement, he would have had to change what he was doing to accommodate the touch, and in football (as with all sport) those little adjustments can make the difference between success and failure.
Players will touch each other, yes, but in general I think we should ask that they touch the ball too.
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Why can't we all agree that he's a cheating, diving, cunt?
mhendo
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Robben apologises for diving against Mexico
Of course, he apologised for diving in 2007 and 2011, so i don't expect anything much will change now.
Lord Camomile
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Because it just ain't that simple
On the other foot, so to speak, you don't think defenders cheat and push the rules as far as they can? A little dig in the back, a little tug of the shirt - that's all seen as part of the game, but it's cheating just as much as diving is, and I still dispute that's what Robben was doing.
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Someone brushing against against your foot isn't an impediment and neither does it cause you to fall to the floor, arms and legs flailing.
Just because some defenders are cheats too doesn't mean I have to condone Robben's actions.
Just because some defenders are cheats too doesn't mean I have to condone Robben's actions.
Silva
This went well.
defender agrees that it wasn't a foul shocker!
Lord Camomile
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Aye, it was a bit of a straw man, but you generally don't see defenders get this much vitriol for gamesmanship.
It was more than a brush, and the point I'm making is that players have to make more of contact in order to get something, because they know if they don't go down then the chance will be lost.
It's been said many times before, by me and others, but football needs to adopt a proper advantage rule, like rugby, where if no advantage is gained you get the original free kick. If players knew they'd get a free kick regardless of going down or staying on their feet I'm certain you'd see a lot more of them trying to make something out of the opportunity, safe in the knowledge that if they can't they will get a free kick for the foul.
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I just disagree that contact like that should ever be a foul at all. All it does is encourage wankers like Robben to behave like fannies and fall over at the merest touch.
The vast majority of situations like that wouldn't ever result in a goal for the attacking side, so rewarding them with an almost certain goal for behaving like a wimp is grossly disproportionate and unfair.
The vast majority of situations like that wouldn't ever result in a goal for the attacking side, so rewarding them with an almost certain goal for behaving like a wimp is grossly disproportionate and unfair.
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It was a penalty as per the rule you posted, strung out. I don't agree with it either but that is the rule at the moment.
He actually said the other one was a dive? That is admission of simulation which should be dealt with after the match as the referee missed it.
Should be at least a one match ban. I would potentially give a three match ban for bringing the game into disrepute. I know diving (cheating) is considered 'part of the game' in some people's eyes but it is a punishable offence and so has to be treated like any other game changing offence.
Three bites for Suarez? Three dives for Robben? I reckon a month ban is fair?
Unless the good old Sun newspapers translation team misquoted?
Should be at least a one match ban. I would potentially give a three match ban for bringing the game into disrepute. I know diving (cheating) is considered 'part of the game' in some people's eyes but it is a punishable offence and so has to be treated like any other game changing offence.
Three bites for Suarez? Three dives for Robben? I reckon a month ban is fair?
Unless the good old Sun newspapers translation team misquoted?
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I would dispute that, but even if we agree that it was a foul, I would say that giving a penalty for 'infringements' like that are correct according to the rules of the game, but not according to the spirit of the game.
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Jesus wept.
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It's a man's game, etc etc etc
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I agree.
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Rubbish. The referee will make mistakes and diving is one of the hardest to spot. The game is fast moving and penalty areas are congested with players blocking the views and feet/legs/arms everywhere.
The usual way of accepting this is that both sides will usually get a decision or two go their way and it all balances out.
However if a player actually admits to diving it should be dealt with.
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