Musicians you idolised as a teen who turned out to be dickheads

[butchersapron]

We don't elect governments we elect representatives, and in West Dorset, if for whatever reason you didn't want Tory Oliver Letwin as your Mp, a vote for anyone other than the Lib Dem is a wasted one.

So is a vote for the lib-dems. Jesus christ. Stop the tory getting in - and thus increasing the chance of a tory govt - by voting for a lib-dem who will go into govt with the tories. That's a real sophisticated plan you (and bragg) got there.

 

[pogofish]

I always thought GnR where shite tbh, although no mere mortal can resist 'sweet child of mine'

This mere mortal can - very easily!

 

[damnhippie]

Johnny

Ah yes, my mistake.

 

[skyscraper101]

See, with Slash I can forgive his recent output because.... I've not heard it

'Most' people fade away and GnR was imo a kind of genius and the last great rock band. No mere human can sustain that and I'm grateful it happened at all. And I'm grateful he's not turned into or revealed, for example, that he's an anti-Semite or Republican. And you should be grateful too - all the good things he's done for you

He still comes over as a decent guy in radio interviews etc. I can forgive him to a point.

It's just all the weird wearing his top hat for every publicity occasion and that awful superbowl sweet child o mine. It's like he's trying to sustain the legend of Slash when he doesn't need to. It verges on ridiculous.

It's made worse by the fact he's not actually much cop at being a songwriter. Formula metal/rock tunes in the main. His band... Slash feat Myles Kennedy? Meh. Half their sets are Guns tunes. It's all nostalgia pandering.

 

[Gerry1time]

I had the pleasure of hanging out with John Lydon a few weeks ago, and he's actually a really sound bloke. He admitted that he's changed his views since his days in the Pistols, but commented that anyone who hadn't changed their views on some things as they'd grown older would be unthinking, dogmatic and stupid, given how the world around them is constantly changing.

He was also talking a lot about how hate of others is what holds us back as a species, and we need to consider everyone's views at all times in order to be sure that the views we hold are still the right ones in the circumstances. He took the piss out of his butter adverts a lot, and admitted he did them for the money, but said that that was a lot of the reason why he did the Pistols in the first place, so in that sense the butter adverts were just a continuation of what he's always been. A working class lad with no education or prospects who wanted to make a better life for himself, which is exactly what he's done.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

You're a rare man, Johnny. Did you not idolise and obsess about the lives of artists you liked when you were young? I thought we all did that, but most of us grow out of it.

There's another aspect to this. A lot of big name musicians died when I was a teenager. Hendrix, Joplin, Keith Moon, Brian Jones, Jim Morrison, etc. So it's like they got the dream life of money and music, but they fucked up and ODed, drowned in bathtubs and swimming pools etc. I couldn't idolize that.

Hendrix, you listened to the man when he was alive, it was obvious: he'd done way too much acid. He was kind of messed-up - but the sounds from his guitar. A flawed genius. I loved the product of the genius. I wasn't drawn to idolize or emulate the flaws.

 

[skyscraper101]

Had Hendrix lived, he'd have been onto some well dodgy musical projects anyway I think. Better off he went when he did.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Had Hendrix lived, he'd have been onto some well dodgy musical projects anyway I think. Better off he went when he did.

Rainbow Bridge was already a few steps in that direction. Not sure I'd go so far as to say he's better off dead, though.

The Stones haven't produced anything meaningful in decades - but I'm sure they still prefer doddering about a stage wheezing recycled hits from the Sixties - to being dead.

 

[Knotted]

Mikis Theodorakis.

 

[ibilly99]

Billy Bragg seems to have become more of a liberal this days compared to when he was putting out his classic stuff (especially with his 'positive patriotism' rhetoric). Although he did own up and acknowledge that supporting the Lib Dems was a massive mistake, and I still think he's more of a good guy than a bad one.

Seize the fucking Day When I was trying super hard to be a right-on radical in my uni days I went though a (mercifully short) phase of really being into them. Now I just think they are just cringeworthily pretentious, and a caricature of protest musicians.

Mr. Brett from Bad Religion. Stonking band back in the day, but he is a right arrogant tosser, makes quite a lot of money from the label he set up, illustrating the point where the alternative become mainstream.

It the big fuck off size house he has on the coast - I used to think he lived in a bedsit in Hackney.

 

[skyscraper101]

Rainbow Bridge was already a few steps in that direction. Not sure I'd go so far as to say he's better off dead, though.

The Stones haven't produced anything meaningful in decades - but I'm sure they still prefer doddering about a stage wheezing recycled hits from the Sixties - to being dead.

I saw the Stones about 5 years or so ago and they were well past it I thought. That said, plenty others seemed to be lapping it up so who am I to deny them that. The most interesting thing was the stadium-ness of it. The big show, the stage that extended out on a roller to the back of the stadium. etc. I just didn't find them, at age 60+ to be all that interesting anymore. Their last decent record was Love Is Strong I think... from Voodoo Lounge. Everything since is whack. They're basically just about touring old hits and hitting longevity milestones now IMO.

I also have a thing about overly rehearsed concerts, predictable set lists, lack of spontaneity etc. but that's for another thread.

 

[youngian]

I like to think of him as a poet akin to a latter-day William McGonagall.

Noel Gallagher takes that title for Definately Maybe.

 

[Thimble Queen]

Thats what he advertised on there. I wish I'd taken a screengrab, tbh. Rather than just "right click > Save target as" on the pics of him eating man snossidge.

Oh sorry, just reread your post. I read the who dates who thing not the adult work profile, never saw that.

 

[skyscraper101]

So what was going on on the adult work profile exactly?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I saw the Stones about 5 years or so ago and they were well past it I thought. That said, plenty others seemed to be lapping it up so who am I to deny them that. The most interesting thing was the stadium-ness of it. The big show, the stage that extended out on a roller to the back of the stadium. etc. I just didn't find them, at age 60+ to be all that interesting anymore. Their last decent record was Love Is Strong I think... from Voodoo Lounge. Everything since is whack. They're basically just about touring old hits and hitting longevity milestones now IMO.

I also have a thing about overly rehearsed concerts, predictable set lists, lack of spontaneity etc. but that's for another thread.

I've seen them a few times; but the last time was probably 25 years ago. They were ok.

A friend saw them this year at the Staples Center in LA - he said he was sorry he spent the money on a ticket.

 

[skyscraper101]

A friend saw them this year at the Staples Center in LA - he said he was sorry he spent the money on a ticket.

Amazing. I mean you should know exactly what you're going to get with a Rolling Stones gig. $150+ to see a bunch of past it rockers play their greatest hits and pose about. They've been doing the same shit for years. They're the most predictable act in the world, along with the Harlem Globetrotters.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Amazing. I mean you should know exactly what you're going to get with a Rolling Stones gig. $150+ to see a bunch of past it rockers play their greatest hits and pose about. They've been doing the same shit for years. They're the most predictable act in the world, along with the Harlem Globetrotters.

Try $400 per ticket.

Ridiculous. Just goes to show that too many boomers have too much money.

 

[skyscraper101]

Try $400 per ticket.

 

[goldenecitrone]

So is a vote for the lib-dems. Jesus christ. Stop the tory getting in - and thus increasing the chance of a tory govt - by voting for a lib-dem who will go into govt with the tories. That's a real sophisticated plan you (and bragg) got there.

Easy to say with hindsight. I don't remember many people predicting the Lib Dems would go into coalition with the tories before the election.

 

[butchersapron]

Easy to say with hindsight. I don't remember many people predicting the Lib Dems would go into coalition with the tories before the election.

Then you both remember wrong and forgot the lib-dems openly publicly and repeatedly saying that they would.

 

[Meh O'Naise]

Oh sorry, just reread your post. I read the who dates who thing not the adult work profile, never saw that.

Who dates who was just a bunch of rumours on the message board.Adult Work? His rate to take it raw in the ass for £150, either in London, Cardiff or LA.

I really wish I could unread this stuff.

 

[goldenecitrone]

Then you both remember wrong and forgot the lib-dems openly publicly and repeatedly saying that they would.

They said they'd consider the possibility of forming a coalition with either Labour or the Tories. They didn't all say they were going to enter into coalition with the Tories. Lots of people were hoping for a Lib Dem/ Labour coalition.

 

[butchersapron]

They said they'd consider the possibility of forming a coalition with either Labour or the Tories. They didn't all say they were going to enter into coalition with the Tories. Lots of people were hoping for a Lib Dem/ Labour coalition.

They said - at a time when the tory lead was around 8-10% and the political debate was not whether they would be the largest party (that was correctly taken for granted) but whether their lead would be large enough to form a govt on their own - that, in the event of a hung parliament, they would join a coalition with the largest party. Now this may have confused you into thinking they wouldn't join with the tories, but they openly told you that they were going to do - and it was revealed after the election that they had already made secret plans to do so before the election - and what you and others hoped for is neither here nor there.

Beth Orton also supported the lib-dems, it wasn't just Bragg and Clegg's 63 year old Youth Advisor Brian Eno.

 

[Reno]

Johnny

My fave Ramones track !

 

[goldenecitrone]

They said - at a time when the tory lead was around 8-10% and the political debate was not whether they would be the largest party (that was correctly taken for granted) but whether their lead would be large enough to form a govt on their own - that, in the event of a hung parliament, they would join a coalition with the largest party. Now this may have confused you into thinking they wouldn't join with the tories, but they openly told you that they were going to do

It didn't confuse me because I don't remember them saying it. On the Why the Lib Dems are Shit thread a couple of weeks before the election, even you were saying, when asked what the likely election result would be,

I really don't know right now. Honestly..

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[Tom A]

Lots of people were hoping for a Lib Dem/ Labour coalition.

Like me

 

[butchersapron]

It didn't confuse me because I don't remember them saying it. On the Why the Lib Dems are Shit thread a couple of weeks before the election, even you were saying, when asked what the likely election result would be,

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You'll note that i said a hung parliament was the most likely outcome and that i had been saying it for months. Any doubts were over whether the tories lead would be big enough to allow them to form a majority govt - not over whether they would form a govt with the tories if offered (or whether this was their favoured choice). You'll also have noted that this was on a thread that i started before the general election with the purpose of exposing the lib-dems as being ready willing and able to form a coalition govt with the tories. And finally, you'll have noted that none of this effects the question of whether the lib-dems had clearly and openly indicated that they would go into coalition with the tories. Because you're observant like that.

 

[goldenecitrone]

You'll note that i said a hung parliament was the most likely outcome and that i had been saying it for months. Any doubts were over whether the tories lead would be big enough to allow them to form a majority govt - not over whether they would form a govt with the tories if offered (or whether this was their favoured choice). You'll also have noted that this was on a thread that i started before the general election with the purpose of exposing the lib-dems as being ready willing and able to form a coalition govt with the tories. And finally, you'll have noted that none of this effects the question of whether the lib-dems had clearly and openly indicated that they would go into coalition with the tories. Because you're observant like that.

So people voting LibDem actually prevented the Conservative majority government you thought was a possibility? Fair enough.

 

[butchersapron]

No, people voting lib Dem ensured it. And some of them are still pretending that they did the right thing today. What sort of fool would do that?

 

[butchersapron]

No, people voting lib Dem ensured a tory government . And some of them are still pretending that they did the right thing today. What sort of fool would do that?