Musicians you idolised as a teen who turned out to be dickheads

[goldenecitrone]

No, people voting lib Dem ensured it. And some of them are still pretending that they did the right thing today. What sort of fool would do that?

Anybody not voting for Labour ensured a Tory government. What sort of fool would do that?

 

[butchersapron]

Lib-dems. Who you think did the right thing.

Seriously, if you think voting for the lib-dems was the right thing to do, and you think that in 2013, then i'm not sure any reasoned debate is going to get through to you.

 

[goldenecitrone]

Lib-dems. Who you think did the right thing.

Seriously, if you think voting for the lib-dems was the right thing to do, and you think that in 2013, then i'm not sure any reasoned debate is going to get through to you.

I can understand why people voted for the Lib Dems in constituencies where the Labour candidate had no chance if they thought it would keep the number of Tory seats down. And so can you.

 

[butchersapron]

What's understanding got to do with your claims that no one could have had any idea that the lib-dems would be prepared to from a coalition govt with the tories - despite them openly saying that they would? That's where you came in.

 

[goldenecitrone]

What's understanding got to do with your claims that no one could have had any idea that the lib-dems would be prepared to from a coalition govt with the tories - despite them openly saying that they would? That's where you came in.

I'm not saying they couldn't have had any idea. I just don't think most people really considered it before voting Lib Dem, especially ex-Labour voters. Otherwise, why would they be so pissed off with the Lib Dems forming a coalition with the tories? It may have been obvious to you, but not to hundreds of thousands of others.

 

[butchersapron]

I'm not saying they couldn't have had any idea. I just don't think most people really considered it before voting Lib Dem, especially ex-Labour voters. Otherwise, why would they be so pissed off with the Lib Dems forming a coalition with the tories? It may have been obvious to you, but not to hundreds of thousands of others.

To Billy Bragg, the political expert that we're talking about?

 

[goldenecitrone]

To Billy Bragg, the political expert that we're talking about?

You'd have to ask him that.

 

[killer b]

It may have been obvious to you, but not to hundreds of thousands of others.

but clegg openly stated they would. how much more obvious would it have to be?

 

[butchersapron]

You'd have to ask him that.

What about to you?

 

[goldenecitrone]

but clegg openly stated they would. how much more obvious would it have to be?

Clegg stated 'Vote Lib Dem and we'll form a coalition government with the tories'? That would have cost him a lot of votes.

 

[goldenecitrone]

What about to you?

I never considered voting Lib Dem, but I always hoped that they would form a coalition with Labour if it came to the crunch. But it does seem inevitable now that they were always going to get into bed with Cameron and co.

 

[killer b]

Clegg stated 'Vote Lib Dem and we'll form a coalition government with the tories'? That would have cost him a lot of votes.

can't remember the exact words, and i'm fucked if i'd know how to search for the quote but he basically did. butch probably has it in his files somewhere.

 

[cesare]

Nick Clegg today signalled that he would speak to the Conservatives first about the formation of a minority government if Labour came third by share of the vote on 6 May, rejecting the constitutional convention that the prime minister should be allowed to try to form a government first.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/apr/25/nick-clegg-coalition-conservatives

But he justifies this by pointing to an unlikely lodestar: the Thatcher government. ‘If the Conservatives had any imagination or verve, they would look back at their own history and realise the last time capital gains and income was equalised was under Nigel Lawson,’ he says. ‘What I am advocating is a Lawson policy.’ From someone who used to denounce Baroness Thatcher with some passion, this sounds remarkably odd.

But, he claims, age has taught him the point of Lady Thatcher. And, indeed, he now seems to see her as something of an inspiration. ‘I’m 43 now. I was at university at the height of the Thatcher revolution and I recognise now something I did not at the time: that her victory over a vested interest, the trade unions, was immensely significant. I don’t want to be churlish:
that was an immensely important visceral battle for how Britain is governed. And what has now happened to the British economy? It has gone belly-up because, once again, we have allowed a vested interest to run riot.’

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2011/05/from-the-archives-nick-clegg-and-margaret-thatcher/

In a hung parliament, the party with the "stronger mandate" had a "moral right to seek to govern", he added.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8565722.stm

 

[goldenecitrone]

Nick Clegg today signalled that he would speak to the Conservatives first about the formation of a minority government if Labour came third by share of the vote on 6 May, rejecting the constitutional convention that the prime minister should be allowed to try to form a government first.

I don't think he would have had much choice in that situation. In fact, Labour came second on the share of the vote. There was still a chance that the Lib Dems could have formed a coalition with Labour. Ultimately though, Labour just didn't get enough votes to make it feasible. Blame the Lib Dem voters all you want, but that's also deflecting blame from all the others who didn't vote for Labour.

 

[butchersapron]

Which has what exactly to do with your claim that the lib-dems did not make clear before the election that they would enter a coalition with the tories? Why do you keep avoiding this with rubbish about you hoping they wouldn't and other such irrelevant nonsense?

 

[goldenecitrone]

Which has what exactly to do with your claim that the lib-dems did not make clear before the election that they would enter a coalition with the tories? Why do you keep avoiding this with rubbish about you hoping they wouldn't and other such irrelevant nonsense?

Only if Labour didn't get enough votes. That must have persuaded you to vote Labour to stop the Tories getting in, right.

 

[butchersapron]

Only if Labour didn't get enough votes. That must have persuaded you to vote Labour to stop the Tories getting in, right.

You think i should have voted labour because then nick clegg would have been able to form a govt with gordon brown? You also think that the lib-dems didn't intend to go into govt with the tories as soon as the opp presented itself. Listen to yourself.

 

[goldenecitrone]

You think i should have voted labour because then nick clegg would have been able to form a govt with gordon brown? You also think that the lib-dems didn't intend to go into govt with the tories as soon as the opp presented itself. Listen to yourself.

You just like deflecting blame onto the Lib Dem voters so you don't have to accept any blame yourself.

 

[butchersapron]

Read this very slowly, maybe re-read it a few times:

The lib-dems said - at a time when the tory lead was around 8-10% and the political debate was not whether they would be the largest party (that was correctly taken for granted) but whether their lead would be large enough to form a govt on their own - that, in the event of a hung parliament, they would join a coalition with the largest party. Now this may have confused you into thinking they wouldn't join with the tories, but they openly told you that they were going to do - and it was revealed after the election that they had already made secret plans to do so before the election - and what you and others hoped for is neither here nor there.

 

[cesare]

I don't think he would have had much choice in that situation. In fact, Labour came second on the share of the vote. There was still a chance that the Lib Dems could have formed a coalition with Labour. Ultimately though, Labour just didn't get enough votes to make it feasible. Blame the Lib Dem voters all you want, but that's also deflecting blame from all the others who didn't vote for Labour.

You originally said:

Easy to say with hindsight. I don't remember many people predicting the Lib Dems would go into coalition with the tories before the election.

All I've done is gather just three media pieces from around 13 March 2010 when Clegg was doing his "I'm not a kingmaker, but ..." spiel just to illustrate that many people were predicting exactly that. And the number of people predicting it gathered pace as the GE became closer. There were also threads on here that were very unpopular at the time precisely because many political posters were warning what the libdems would do.

 

[Tom A]

 

[killer b]

the comments on that vid are total facepalm.

 

[redsquirrel]

but clegg openly stated they would. how much more obvious would it have to be?

These are the fucking morons who get mugged every bloody time - by Blair, by Obama, by the LibDems, now by the Greens.

They could sign their intentions in their own blood and fools like GC would still convince themselves into voting for them based on their ill thought out hopes.

 

[AverageJoe]

Moar musicians are needed in this thread tbh

 

[TruXta]

Moar musicians are needed in this thread tbh

Bill Clinton.

e2a not that i ever idolised the man, far from it

 

[DotCommunist]

Bill Clinton.

e2a not that i ever idolised the man, far from it

the man used Dont Stop Thinking About Tomorrow by Fleetwood Mac as his campaign music. Ruined it

 

[goldenecitrone]

You originally said:
All I've done is gather just three media pieces from around 13 March 2010 when Clegg was doing his "I'm not a kingmaker, but ..." spiel just to illustrate that many people were predicting exactly that. And the number of people predicting it gathered pace as the GE became closer. There were also threads on here that were very unpopular at the time precisely because many political posters were warning what the libdems would do.

If only more voters read U75, eh. Still, let's hope people pay more attention next time and vote to keep the Tories and the Lib Dems out. Can't be fun looking in the mirror each morning and seeing the mug who let the tories back in.

 

[goldenecitrone]

They could sign their intentions in their own blood and fools like GC would still convince themselves into voting for them based on their ill thought out hopes.

I voted Labour, you illiterate wankstain.

 

[killer b]

If only more voters read U75, eh.

loads do. They still voted lib dem, the cunts. Some even campaigned for them.

 

[cesare]

If only more voters read U75, eh. Still, let's hope people pay more attention next time and vote to keep the Tories and the Lib Dems out. Can't be fun looking in the mirror each morning and seeing the mug who let the tories back in.

Loads of people not on urban might be facepalming since voting LibDem in the GE. But not many on here