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Morons Unite For The Freedom To Infect Each Other

'My Body My Choice' (and fuck anyone else who's more vulnerable who I might infect)
'No Great Reset' - that's right, there is no great reset, it's just a fantasy invented by malevolent grifters and lapped up uncritically by idiots.
'Covid Better Than What's Planned' - are you for fucking real? Tell that to the families of the 130,000 people who've died of Covid so far.

Read in the Graun just now about how some scientists believe the third wave has already begun, on the basis that the infection rates are showing a similar pattern to those in March.
These simpletons are prolonging the pandemic and ensuring the extension of lockdown restrictions, by their congregating in huge numbers, refusing to wear masks while going into shops etc - and encouraging others to do likewise.

For all their gibbering about their freedoms being curtailed and people being forced to be vaccinated, the truth is that in our society it's the reverse. No-one so far has been compelled to be vaccinated. These simple and selfish twats go maskless with impunity in enclosed, public places. If this really was a North Korea-style dictatorship do they seriously think they'd be allowed to march up and down parading their idiocy?

Utter, utter wankers. I can't see any redeeming qualities in these filth.
What's prolonging the pandemic is the government making decisions on letting people enter the country from eg India on political rather than public health grounds. These people are barely spreading the virus in hard numbers at all comparable to what Boris Johnson has managed.
 
What's prolonging the pandemic is the government making decisions on letting people enter the country from eg India on political rather than public health grounds. These people are barely spreading the virus in hard numbers at all comparable to what Boris Johnson has managed.
The seven flights a day from India is certainly a factor and may well be a more significant one, but I don’t suppose all these maskless people on tubes and in corner shops is helping matters.

This third wave may have been fuelled initially by flights from India, but once it spreads into the general population (as it appears to be doing in several areas of the UK) it’s no longer the only cause. Of course I agree that the Johnson government’s decisions have been criminally negligent.
 
What's prolonging the pandemic is the government making decisions on letting people enter the country from eg India on political rather than public health grounds. These people are barely spreading the virus in hard numbers at all comparable to what Boris Johnson has managed.
I thought a lot of those coming in from India had been out there for religious events?
 
If other countries insist on people being vaccinated before visiting, that's their choice, and has been going on for bloody years.

Nowt to do with the UK.



No one is using force or threats to get people to have a jab, it's a free choice, luckily the vast majority are going for it, because they are not loons.



How can there be more scrutiny about the side effects of the vaccines?

Everything is closely monitored, and any problems are a matter of public record, and receives wide media attention.
My tip of the week.

Save yourself valuable time by instead writing 'fuck off you cunt'.
 
Part of the blame should lie with the education system. People should leave school knowing something about vaccines and their history. Their effectiveness is all the more striking when you consider how rudimentary medical knowledge was around the times vaccines were developed.
 
Part of the blame should lie with the education system. People should leave school knowing something about vaccines and their history. Their effectiveness is all the more striking when you consider how rudimentary medical knowledge was around the times vaccines were developed.
If people just left school with a modicum of critical thinking skills, that'd probably do it nicely.
 
The seven flights a day from India is certainly a factor and may well be a more significant one, but I don’t suppose all these maskless people on tubes and in corner shops is helping matters.

This third wave may have been fuelled initially by flights from India, but once it spreads into the general population (as it appears to be doing in several areas of the UK) it’s no longer the only cause. Of course I agree that the Johnson government’s decisions have been criminally negligent.
If you look at the numbers there's still very little covid in London. And there are very few tubes in Bolton. I don't suppose many of the weekend's demonstrators came from kirklees or Bolton, do you?
 
I don't believe people should be forced to have a covid vaccine so that they can travel.
I don't think it's right that people are being coerced into getting the vaccine.
There should be more scrutiny about the side effects of the vaccine.

dtb they're probably the most carefully examined medicines in memory. What extra scrutiny do you think they need?

More than that though, what's your take on the pandemic more widely?
 
I don't believe people should be forced to have a covid vaccine so that they can travel.
I don't think it's right that people are being coerced into getting the vaccine.
There should be more scrutiny about the side effects of the vaccine.
What health studies have you studied thus far?
 
Some analysis from While Rome Burns, which is usually pretty thoughtful:

There was definitely a presence of some dodgy far-right characters who others have documented. I personally saw adrenochrome and ‘save the children’ QAnon stuff, anti-semitic ZOG conspiracist stuff, a ‘Don’t tread on me’ Gadsden flag, and a bunch of Union Jack waving types. But… also people of colour, Sikhs, hippies, some anarchists, Anonymous types, young and old. All united by conspiracism. This almost made it more disturbing than if it had just been a far-right demo.


Conspiracism is not inherently tied to left or right, which makes it a space of cross-over and convergence. This makes it dangerous but also unpredictable and changeable. This big new movement that has coalesced over anti-lockdownism feels very amorphous like lots of people have been newly politicised and might move in all sorts of directions. So it is probably very open to the far-right trying to pull it more into their orbit. But, in this respect, the conspiracism here seems very different to the USA. In the States, all the anti-lockdown stuff seems quite associated with the (far) right. Trump no doubt helped by massively signal-boosting it to all his credulous supporters. Here the far-right has not massively gone for anti-lockdown conspiracism. There is some far-right presence but far more David Icke types, hippies etc etc. You aren’t getting Tommy Robinson, the DFLA, Britain First etc falling in behind it. Although if they did, TBH I can see them being welcomed with open arms.

So, as well as some far-right, there are a load of people in this conspiracist movement who are effectively ‘our’ sort of people. Unfortunately, conspiracism seems to have this logic of increasing credulousness as believers ‘join the dots’ and ‘follow the breadcrumbs’ – people who start off with one conspiracist belief become introduced to others and add them together. So there is a danger of people who start out more or less on the left being sucked into this increasingly dodgy greyzone, moving from one thing to another, until they pop up in a couple of years’ time as fully fledged loons thinking George Soros is paying Antifa to bring the New World Order or something.

It all feels quite a lot like Occupy back in 2011. That was a political moment that drew in a lot of new people very quickly. And there were a lot of crazies and conspiraloons, which sometimes made it hard to know how to engage with it. The difference is that Occupy was inherently our territory so we had some basis to be there and to argue with people. By contrast it does not feel possible to get involved with this anti-lockdown conspiracist movement in order to try and influence it in a good direction, given that the fundamental premises of the whole thing are dangerous and wrong. On what basis would it be possible for the left / anarchists to turn up and get involved?

This then leaves a problem of how we relate to this. Should be opposing them and having counter-demos? Ignoring it and hoping it will go away? It feels problematic that this is not something that the left has got a handle on yet. And this task is made more urgent in that this anti-lockdown movement does not seem to be going away with the ending of lockdown. The question is – where will this movement go after covid? Will it fizzle out or will it transmute into something new and worse?
Twitter thread referred to is here:
 
I wonder how these anti vaxers feel about blood transfusions now...

I suppose its not a conspiracy too far to think that all that spike protein shedders (or whatever they call it) working in the food industry might be shedding in the food, and drink... won't anyone think about the beer.
 
I had the misfortune to walk through this Kumbh Mela of cretins on Saturday on my way to Foyles. We had to walk against the tide down Tottenham Court Road wearing our masks to see their reaction. It was quite strange to be called Sheeple and Zombie and told to remove the masks by a bunch of Poundshop Dr. Jazzzes, but the best bit came when some pissed up bloke shouted to the crowd 'Let them keep their masks on, so we know who they are.' Fucking idiot.
 
I had the misfortune to walk through this Kumbh Mela of cretins on Saturday on my way to Foyles. We had to walk against the tide down Tottenham Court Road wearing our masks to see their reaction. It was quite strange to be called Sheeple and Zombie and told to remove the masks by a bunch of Poundshop Dr. Jazzzes, but the best bit came when some pissed up bloke shouted to the crowd 'Let them keep their masks on, so we know who they are.' Fucking idiot.
It's a long time since I've felt the urge to head-butt someone as much as while I was reading your post :(
 
If people just left school with a modicum of critical thinking skills, that'd probably do it nicely.

Yes that would be nice. imo the education system should strive to enculturate those who pass through it. Meaning, if you then took say 30 adults at random and plonked them on a remote island, they would know how to create a basic but still civilised society among themselves. What counts as civilised is up for debate but medical knowledge has to be in there.
 
So dtb - posting that kind of shit, unable or unwilling to answer any questions about what you think. Fuck off you prick.
 
They last logged in yesterday, just before midnight, so I assume they are reading this thread, just not interested in anything that's been said.

Yeah I gave them some time, and checked when they'd seen it last. The mix of arrogance, ignorance, and delusion is quite amazing. Throws something out there, can't/won't answer any questions on it, doesn't adjust their position, then manages to fit it all together in their head where they're right and we're all wrong.
 
Yeah I gave them some time, and checked when they'd seen it last. The mix of arrogance, ignorance, and delusion is quite amazing. Throws something out there, can't/won't answer any questions on it, doesn't adjust their position, then manages to fit it all together in their head where they're right and we're all wrong.
Maybe at protests like this instead of using tear gas they should use antipsychotics or whatever. :)
 
Yeah I gave them some time, and checked when they'd seen it last. The mix of arrogance, ignorance, and delusion is quite amazing. Throws something out there, can't/won't answer any questions on it, doesn't adjust their position, then manages to fit it all together in their head where they're right and we're all wrong.

As I have pointed out in the other thread, the people who do this sort of thing aren't actually interested in meaningful engagement. They want an audience to preach at.
 
Maybe a bit less of the pile on and abuse? They might be more inclined to reply and engage....
 
Maybe a bit less of the pile on and abuse? They might be more inclined to reply and engage....

I did ask them 2 reasonable questions; one about what is the extra scrutiny of the vaccines that they want, and what their wider thoughts on the pandemic were. No reply, although also happy to still get one, know people can be busy and not get round to it for a bit...
 
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