More police brutality than you can shake a stick at.
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Starry Wisdom
there are only a few apples not yet rotten to the core
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Plastic Paddy
Fuck crime fighting abilities. This is about police brutality and killings.
There were 300 odd police related deaths in the UK in 2017/2018, 30 of which were RTAs.
Whereas a fag-packet calculation based on this suggests around 6000 a year in the US.
Even scaling up for population differences that's massively more.
Saul Goodman
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The UK needs more armed cops. That'd probably fix the shortfall.
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Starry Wisdom
my earlier post was i admit facetious.
but here you're really rather confused
your source only mentions figures for deaths in custody. by which i understand people in cop cars post-arrest, in police stations etc. how about people killed on the streets, people run down, beaten to death, killed by tasers? your 6,000 seems to me really on the conservative side.
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Plastic Paddy
Well you're agreeing with me. Anyone who thinks that the UK police are anywhere near the US in terms of brutality needs their heads testing.
A380
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The fact they don’t even count deaths following police contact in the US is just one demonstration.
It’s a country where there are people alive today who had grand parents who were owned by other people who’s grandchildren are still alive. As in all countries their police are just a symptom of the culture. Their education system, like ours delivers even greater discrimination by race. And I’m convinced, personal theory, that the mess their health care system is owes a massive amount to white people not wanting to pay for care for black people.
None of this to say things aren’t shit here, of course.
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Starry Wisdom
given half a chance they're apt pupils tho: lest we forget, patrick rooney, 9, killed by a bullet from an ruc machine-gun while lying in bed, 14/8/1969
let alone people like mark duggan, diarmuid o'neill, harry stanley, smiley culture, john shorthouse...
A380
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Rozzers are all tooled up on mainland Europe and yet it’s not the same level of bloodletting there. Even in France where the various City forces and the Gendarmes -neither renowned for either their embracing of anti-racism or all round gentleness and adherence to community based policing - seem to avoid killing quire so many of their fellow citizens.
Canadians and Australians (again the police in the latter not bring renowned for their good relations with First Nation people, or in some states being as bent as a very bent thing top to bottom) seem not to slot people in such obscenely huge numbers.
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Starry Wisdom
franch police rape people with batons, they've indulged in an orgy of murder against algerians - killing scores if not hundreds in one night - i really wouldn't hold the french police up as in any way an example of restraint
A380
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I’m not, the opposite in fact . I’m pointing out that even that country with that particular style of policing and state control, still don’t kill so many people as the US do.
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Starry Wisdom
when you point to state control you hit the nail on the head, as very very few of the 17,985 police forces in the united states come under state control, which is why they can't say how many people are killed by cops each year. no one knows. it isn't imo places where there's greatest centralised control which will be the most brutal, but the places with least - see, for another example, the police in brazil.
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I still think the structure of American Society has a lot of input. Yes, the majority of US police forces are less than 10 people. But it’s not just HorseCock Louisianan Sheriff’s Department (Bubba, JohnJo and Earl with one Crown Vic, Glocks they all brought themselves and a couple of ex - Desert Storm M16s they got given, dispatched by the State Troopers control room 150 miles away that get trigger happy. LAPD for example look like a modern police force, albeit with about 1/3 the numbers they’d have in any other western city seem to slot more people than the whole of Europe combined.
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Starry Wisdom
yeh. don't you think there is some connection between the number of people they kill and the number of cops they have to police a city the size of la?
A380
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Don’t come over all liberal ‘spend more on policing on me’ (irony) . The top left hand corner of LA basically occupies the other 3/4s. It’s why Bratton couldn’t repeat there what he did in Boston and New York. He asked for more money and got told to fuck off quite royally.
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Starry Wisdom
i'm not coming over all liberal spend more money on policing. my point is that the means by which the lapd police vast swathes of la is to maintain their control not through 'consent' or some other form of legitimising their presence, but through killing people. i don't think that would change if suddenly the lapd saw their numbers increase to be thrice their current establishment, except that they'd kill even more people.
Yuwipi Woman
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Plastic Paddy
The first thing he should've done is put that stick down.
Yuwipi Woman
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I think he's more concerned about changing his underwear.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
No, it's wholly different. Youtube 'rave in police station' and see how the Met handled that, then imagine trying to do that in any American police station without it going very badly wrong for you.
But UK cops are massive cunts too.
GarveyLives
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GarveyLives
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Do you (or anyone else) recall a lot of angry protests, heated debates in pubs or posts on online media when this happened?
A380
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Fuck me.
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British Teens Who Mocked George Floyd's Death On Snapchat Have Been Arrested - The Hook
Disgusting
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Plastic Paddy
Stupid fucking cunts.Fuck me.
British Teens Who Mocked George Floyd's Death On Snapchat Have Been Arrested - The Hook
Disgusting
Athos
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The most interesting thing about that article is the link at the bottom to what it claims is the update to the ME's report. It records the death as a homicide (albeit this is for statistical purposes, rather than deciding culpability - which rests with the court). Worryingly though - from the perspective of it being used to exculpate the killer - it does note fentanyl intoxication (as well as preexisting health issues) amongst the significant conditions (and recent meth use which ought not to be too relevant).
Artaxerxes
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NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
Is this the one that we've seen at least twice already? That doesn't actually involve an FBI agent?
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
That was only a press release. In the autopsy there will be a measured level of fentanyl in the blood. I would suggest that people who die from fentanyl OD don't die after walking around doing some shopping, they die almost immediately after putting the drug into their system.
Traces of opioid in the system vs policeman kneeling into his neck for 8 minutes? I hope I know what a jury is going to believe.
It ain't legal to go around killing drug users. Yet.
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