Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"

[agricola]

Guardian journalist and police officer not charged over 'phone-hacking leak'

About time too...

I do wish the Guardian would stop bleating on about "worrying attempt(s) to criminalise legitimate contact between journalists and confidential sources" though - that is (or at least the investigation into such a leak featuring the questioning of sources and hacks) what is going to have to happen now, given that you cannot at the start of such an investigation state with any confidence why someone leaked something, who they leaked it to and what they then went on to use that information for.

 

[laptop]

I do wish the Guardian would stop bleating on about "worrying attempt(s) to criminalise legitimate contact between journalists and confidential sources" though - that is (or at least the investigation into such a leak featuring the questioning of sources and hacks) what is going to have to happen now, given that you cannot at the start of such an investigation state with any confidence why someone leaked something, who they leaked it to and what they then went on to use that information for.

The threatened use of the Official Secrets Act was a bit cack-handed, given the history (viz. Aubrey, Berry & Campbell)

And it to me looked a lot a lot like a sign of splits within the Met, with a "get the Guardian" faction, rather than even-handedness between the Guardian and the NotW.

 

[two sheds]

It also eliminates one possible result of all this that I was half expecting - that Guardian journalist/police leaks would be prosecuted while the NotW/police illegalities wouldn't.

So a good sign.

 

[agricola]

And it to me looked a lot a lot like a sign of splits within the Met, with a "get the Guardian" faction, rather than even-handedness between the Guardian and the NotW.

Not really - after all, the Guardian did think it was ok to make use of (and of course it seems end up exposing*) a source within Weeting itself, something that was always going to (and IMHO should always) result in the source and the hacks being questioned.

* its also worth pointing out that the source - or rather the officer identified as the source by the CPS / IPCC - could well face disciplinary action

 

[DexterTCN]

...* its also worth pointing out that the source - or rather the officer identified as the source by the CPS / IPCC - could well face disciplinary action

As opposed to a medal and a promotion, which is what he/she desreves imo.

 

[laptop]

As opposed to a medal and a promotion, which is what he/she deserves imo.

Now I'm interested: do the rules of Met disciplinary hearings even permit a public interest defence?

 

[DexterTCN]

I doubt it, or they'd be very busy. heh

 

[elbows]

Fucking Gove, his views are at odds with most witnesses in terms of the scale of the problem, he is gushing all over Murdoch, and right now Leveson does not seem to be amused by Goves anti-regulatory stance.

 

[weltweit]

The old judge would not survive on just a minute, beep "hesitation"!!

 

[gosub]

Fucking Gove, his views are at odds with most witnesses in terms of the scale of the problem, he is gushing all over Murdoch, and right now Leveson does not seem to be amused by Goves anti-regulatory stance.

He is a former times columnist and think his wife is a journo

 

[Ted Striker]

The old judge would not survive on just a minute, beep "hesitation"!!

That for me, and the "give the (poor) stenographer a break (lol)" is the most memorable impact he's had tbf.

 

[Streathamite]

He is a former times columnist and think his wife is a journo

in fact he wrote the leaders. which made him murdoch's mouthpiece

 

[gosub]

in fact he wrote the leaders. which made him murdoch's mouthpiece

Times leaders allowed to be independent, it's only sun that he demands a say on

 

[elbows]

He is a former times columnist and think his wife is a journo

Yes. As I've probably said on here a few times before, he first appeared on my radar in the runup to the Iraq war, on a program that was probably on channel 4 and attempted to present the case for & against the war in the form of a debate that was in some ways structured like a court case.

Back then it was possible, on the few occasions where I was not completely overcome with rage about his beliefs, to note that he held a certain pretty extreme ideology dear, and that he was better than most in that camp at putting across his ideas in a somewhat convincing manner. I don't mean that I agreed with him, he isn't going to convince me or plenty of others because of the very nature of his beliefs, but he was able to build them into an ideological framework that was slightly more consistent than most of his peers. He's probably a true believer.

So I hope it makes sense if I suggest that he is a more overtly neocon version of Blair in certain ways. But obviously not in others, he lacks obvious charm, and likely relies on his ability to state a view with a certain boring passion, and the substance of that view, in order to make friends. Perhaps he has a few fans for delivering a refreshingly different kind of horrible bullshit to the predominant flavour of bullshit that this age generates.

Either way he is on my 'dangerous persons' list, along with the likes of Boris.

A battle between Self and Gove with weapons of word and historical knowledge might be entertaining.

 

[gabi]

Times leaders allowed to be independent, it's only sun that he demands a say on

Where are you getting that from?

 

[elbows]

Its the picture some think has emerged as a result of evidence from a few different witnesses over recent months.There is probably some devil in the detail, as influence between owner and editor can be more subtle than direct story interest/intervention sometimes.

 

[gabi]

I thought the reason Andrew Neil quit the sunday times was because of Murdoch's meddling, for one. He certainly influences the editorial line in his titles in australia and I would assume the US too.

 

[Streathamite]

Times leaders allowed to be independent, it's only sun that he demands a say on

erm...you sure of that?

 

[Lock&Light]

Times leaders allowed to be independent, it's only sun that he demands a say on

Harold Evans would not agree with you.

 

[elbows]

An example of what todays Gove session was like:

LORD JUSTICE LEVESON: So your reaction is that the suggestion that I think I've received from more than a few people over the last few months that actually public regard for both has gone down is misplaced?

A. I think it's always wise to look at the historical context. It was a Latin author who said, "O tempora o mores!" as they were lamenting the slack morals of their time. I think that human nature doesn't change much over time and politicians and journalists have always tended to be held in relatively low regard.

LORD JUSTICE LEVESON: That's not quite the question, but never mind. Right.

A. It's my view.

MR JAY: A slightly jaundiced view of human nature, but maybe that's the message you're --

 

[agricola]

Fucking Gove, his views are at odds with most witnesses in terms of the scale of the problem, he is gushing all over Murdoch, and right now Leveson does not seem to be amused by Goves anti-regulatory stance.

If you havent already, its worth revisiting the latest Eye - there was an article in it pointing out how odd it is that Gove (who as has been pointed out is an ex-NI hack, is still close to NI and is a cabinet minister) hasnt been targetted at all in his scandal, by Labour or anyone else. Just look at some of the praise he has recieved for his sterling defence of the right of the hacks to misbehave, which has been sickeningly fawning.

 

[DexterTCN]

Welll..Gove... hardly worth the fucking bother to be honest.

 

[Gingerman]

think his wife is a journo

Who writes for the Times

 

[DaveCinzano]

I think you are all being unfair.

It's not like Gove has any motive other than keeping the gravy train running supporting press freedom in his defence of Murdoch.

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[Santino]

Coulson arrested (in London) for perjury in the High Court in Glasgow. According to THE INTERNET.

 

[yardbird]

Coulson arrested (in London) for perjury in the High Court in Glasgow. According to THE INTERNET.

Confirmed on bbc radio5 news

 

[laptop]

Confirmed on bbc radio5 news

During the trial, Sheridan produced documentary evidence that he had been twice targeted by Mulcaire, a private detective hired by the NoW, in 2004.

It has since emerged that other close members of Sheridan's family and associates were also named and potentially targeted by Mulcaire, including the politician's mother, Alice Sheridan, and the Scottish politician Joan McAlpine...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/may/30/andy-coulson-detained-police-perjury

I think we can fill in some of the blanks of what Coulson said in the Sheridan trial...

This is all starting to merge into one ur-scandal, isn't it? I spy Lord Lucan...

 

[DaveCinzano]

This is all starting to merge into one ur-scandal, isn't it? I spy Lord Lucan...

I wonder if there are any other curious threads that ultimately will be woven into this big blanket of doom. For example, I wonder what it was exactly that led Associated Newspapers to run a blanket SPEAK TO LAWYERS BEFORE RUNNING ANYTHING caption on all photos of Brian Paddick in their CMS in the mid-00s.

 

[butchersapron]

What's a CMS dave?

 

[laptop]

Content Management System?

I'd have thought that the Associated note was most likely because Brian P had made a plausible threat to sue their arses. Unless it was the result of an unpublicised out-of-court settlement?