Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"

[ymu]

It's OK. There are Chinese walls between these people and the government they are part of.

 

[London_Calling]

List of ministers who will be giving evidence to Leveson inquiry includes David Cameron, Nick Clegg, Vince Cable, Jeremy Hunt, Michael Gove, Ken Clarke, Theresa May and George Osborne.

Proper taxpayer value this PI - never mind everything else, it's worth paying your taxes just for this shower.

 

[butchersapron]

So, gap between what coulsen and brooks might say and what the list of shame has recorded?

 

[London_Calling]

I'd imagine Brooks might be more verbose, but that might also depend on how much coaching she's had and whether Jay can get under her skin.

 

[ymu]

I'm finding it very hard to guess where Brooks might go with her evidence. It'll be limited because of the criminal charges. I think she's still getting substantial Murdoch assistance behind the scenes, which might mean she'll gun for Cameron. If she's been abandoned by Team Murdoch, then she might be looking to protect Cameron as her next best powerful friend. Unless she thinks he's screwed anyway, in which case ... fuck knows.

She apparently kept meticulous electronic records, not just the Cameron texts, and the fact that we know this, suggests that she's giving it all up - or at least, the stuff she wants to give up (whilst giving the impression that it's all of it).

Dunno. She and Coulson have had a very low profile since their arrests because of the contempt of court stuff. Anyone more up to date on where she stands with Murdoch?

Coulson has been thrown to the wolves by Murdoch and Cameron. I'd guess he'll be doing whatever he has to do to save his own skin.

 

[DexterTCN]

After the murdoch's fucked them over this time, you have to wonder why Cameron, Hunt and the others are suddenly using legal methods to find out what they can about what's going to be presented. All above board, I'm sure.

Mr Eadie said the application arose not out of concern about the conduct of ministers, but out of a desire for them to "find some time in their busy schedules" to ensure evidence is accurate.​

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/m...-coulson-prepare-to-face-leveson-7715798.html

 

[1%er]

I'm finding it very hard to guess where Brooks might go with her evidence. It'll be limited because of the criminal charges. I think she's still getting substantial Murdoch assistance behind the scenes, which might mean she'll gun for Cameron. If she's been abandoned by Team Murdoch, then she might be looking to protect Cameron as her next best powerful friend. Unless she thinks he's screwed anyway, in which case ... fuck knows.

She apparently kept meticulous electronic records, not just the Cameron texts, and the fact that we know this, suggests that she's giving it all up - or at least, the stuff she wants to give up (whilst giving the impression that it's all of it).

Dunno. She and Coulson have had a very low profile since their arrests because of the contempt of court stuff. Anyone more up to date on where she stands with Murdoch?

Coulson has been thrown to the wolves by Murdoch and Cameron. I'd guess he'll be doing whatever he has to do to save his own skin.

IIRC wasn't there a story about her old man dumping a computer somewhere, what happened about that, was it him who dumped it and was it her computer?

 

[ymu]

IIRC wasn't there a story about her old man dumping a computer somewhere, what happened about that, was it him who dumped it and was it her computer?

Yeah. That's what her second arrest was about, he got arrested too. Both up for perverting the course of justice. This may be why all the electronic records are available of course - they got the computer.

 

[1%er]

Yeah. That's what her second arrest was about, he got arrested too. Both up for perverting the course of justice. This may be why all the electronic records are available of course - they got the computer.

I was wondering about that when I read your above post that said "She apparently kept meticulous electronic records", anything at all in the UK press about what if anything was found on the computer?

 

[ymu]

It's all subjudice because of the arrests. That's why Brooks and Coulson haven't had much of a mention recently. It has to come out in court.

Which is nice.

The "kept meticulous electronic records" might be an oblique reference to what was found on the computer, without crossing the contempt of court line.

 

[London_Calling]

"kept meticulous electronic records" is simply a description of the nature of what she kept - sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Presumably it refers to personal electronic-based communication (from texts to email) beyond that discolosed by Data Pool 3 e.g. held on assorted computers outside NI, inc. the dumped laptop.

 

[London_Calling]

Rupes has been on the laughing gear again:

Rupert Murdoch ‏ @rupertmurdoch
"all that is and has been is but the twilight of the dawn". H.G. Wells

 

[Lord Camomile]

Very worryingly, I'm growing a bit fond of R.Murdoch, in a "what a demented fuck" kind of way.

Think I need to drink a lot of gin.

 

[laptop]

"kept meticulous electronic records" is simply a description of the nature of what she kept - sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Presumably it refers to personal electronic-based communication (from texts to email) beyond that discolosed by Data Pool 3 e.g. held on assorted computers outside NI, inc. the dumped laptop.

Or on the phone.

Unless the texts were backed up to a computer somewhere...

* cracks open phone manual *

 

[weltweit]

Very worryingly, I'm growing a bit fond of R.Murdoch, in a "what a demented fuck" kind of way.
Think I need to drink a lot of gin.

I feel a little sorry for the old git, after all if there was no RM there would be no Sky Television.

 

[killer b]

fucking mental

 

[weltweit]

fucking mental

Who me?

 

[stavros]

An interesting stat from the current Private Eye;

Comments to undercover journalists which rendered Vince Cable unfit to judge BSkyB takeover: 1

Emails to and from News Corp lobbyists which apparently do not render Jeremy Hunt unfit to judge ongoing media regulation: 161

 

[elbows]

Ah but if it had been Cables special advisor that had made that comment 161 times to a journalist, would Cable have had to stop judging the matter?

 

[DexterTCN]

Yes...because at that time Murdoch was still pulling the strings.

 

[London_Calling]

An interesting stat from the current Private Eye;

Comments to undercover journalists which rendered Vince Cable unfit to judge BSkyB takeover: 1

Emails to and from News Corp lobbyists which apparently do not render Jeremy Hunt unfit to judge ongoing media regulation: 161

Yeah, but what a comment!

 

[ymu]

Completely unlike Hunt's unabashed cheerleading for NI on his website. Utterly different and in no way evidence that he was known to be biased before he was appointed to the task.

 

[London_Calling]

No one is talking about public statements.

 

[two sheds]

Independent going with secret meeting between Cameron and NI.

"Murdoch lobbyist dismissed as a 'fantasist' set up talks between the PM and the News Corp board
"

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ons-secret-summit-with-news-corp-7717644.html

The involvement of Mr Michel, the head of public affairs for News Corp, in such a top-level meeting severely undermines his portrayal by Mr Hunt and the Prime Minister as simply a lobbyist and "Walter Mitty" fantasist.
The previously undisclosed meeting in November 2009 also shows how Mr Cameron was being assiduously courted by News Corp executives beyond the Murdoch family, as the company was gearing up for its bid to take over BSkyB.

 

[London_Calling]

^ Cameron wasn't PM, which undermines the value somewhat.

Described alternatively as a "secret" meeting, an "undisclosed" meeting and "a Spanish news agency later reported details of the talks, but this was not picked up in the British press".

Plus, there were legit reasons for the meeting anyway (European centre-right politics) that all parties can hide behind. Which might be why the British press weren't interested at the time.

Apart from that, it's a great piece. Veh Sunday.

 

[two sheds]

Yes, although 'if he had nothing to hide' why wasn't it declared. Good article by Gary Younge, I felt:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/may/06/leveson-murdoch-cameron-brooks-privilege

The details of the main narrative bear repeating. We now know that James Murdoch met with David Cameron 12 times between January 2006 and January 2010 – eight times for dinner, twice for breakfast, once for lunch and once for drinks. Between May 2010 and July 2011 there were also more than 60 meetings between ministers and either Rupert Murdoch, his son James, the then News International chief executive Rebekah Brooks or James Harding, the editor of the Times. That averages around one a week. We know there were more, but not all were logged as such by Downing Street.

The article is called "A web of privilege supports this so-called meritocracy" and has:

The one job Cameron landed in the private sector was arranged by his wife's mother, Lady Astor, who was friends with Michael Green, then executive chairman of Carlton. Green gave Cameron a starting salary of £90,000. He has no more had to stand on his merits than James Murdoch had to interview for a job at News Corp.

The rest is worth reading, too.

 

[agricola]

The rest is worth reading, too.

It is, though its impact is lessened by Younge failing to extend his argument to include Labour (even though he does come close on occasion). In any case Peter Oborne has been making much the same argument - about the web of nepotism, the corruption, the lack of any experience outside of "politics" and the incompetence of the political class - for years.

 

[London_Calling]

Yes, although 'if he had nothing to hide' why wasn't it declared .

The Opposition declare meetings - not a rule I've ever heard of?

The piece seems worthless.

 

[Ted Striker]

Any news on the schedule for this week? There's nothing on the site?

 

[agricola]

Any news on the schedule for this week? There's nothing on the site?

Or at least for me this weeks list is up there.