Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"

[London_Calling]

I get reading in. But he's doing more than that isn't he? He's commenting and making judgements.

I haven't seen it but the chances are he is leading, as he is trained to do:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leading_question

 

[butchersapron]

Leading who? Who is he questioning?

 

[Buzz sw9]

Leading who? Who is he questioning?

I think what he is doing in the text you quote above is, reading into evidence that which he has been asked to read by a core participant or others.

Counsel to the inquire is the voice for everyone and the conduit for evidence, I'm not sure he is making Judgements, I think leveson will be doing that

Could you explain a little more what your concern about the text is, if it hasn't been addressed fully?

 

[butchersapron]

He's giving an opinion - not testimony. You cannot read that in. You can read it in as it's a thing that's been said, but not as fact.

 

[Buzz sw9]

He is giving an opinion, whose opinion it is we are not sure off. How much weight, if any, will be given to that opinion at the end of it all, is anyone's guess.

 

[two sheds]

I'd have assumed he's responsible for making statements to the press. Presumably being very careful what they say so they don't prejudice any trials.

 

[sleaterkinney]

Wasn't Brooks being hacked mentioned by one of the coppers giving evidence today?

At 12:42
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/feb/29/leveson-inquiry-williams-maberly-surtees-live

 

[butchersapron]

I'd have assumed he's responsible for making statements to the press. Presumably being very careful what they say so they don't prejudice any trials.

So who is he giving statements surmising what RW said to? The press? In that case it's not his job to say that is it? The hearing? Again, not his job.

 

[butchersapron]

Good old Met

Met to review Daniel Morgan murder over claims of News of the World link

He revealed that the Morgan murder – one of the Met police's most notorious unsolved killings – was now being overseen by the assistant commissioner Cressida Dick,

 

[ymu]

After Morgan's death Fillery became Rees's partner in Southern Investigations. Watson told MPs Morgan had been about to take his story about police corruption to the News of the World and its crime reporter Marunchak at the time he was killed and had been promised £40,000 for the story.

...

But Watson said: "What the family didn't know during the investigation was the extent to which the relationship between News International, private investigators and the police had such an impact … Southern Investigations sold information to newspapers in the 90s … but I think exclusively to News International after Rees was released from jail in 2005 [on another offence]. The main conduit was Alex Marunchak.

"Rees and Marunchak had a relationship that was so close they both registered their companies at the same address. Rees's confirmed links to Marunchak take the murder of Daniel Morgan to a new level."

Very, very serious. This is very close to an allegation that they were involved in the murder, not just the cover-up.

 

[laptop]

This is very close to an allegation that they were involved in the murder, not just the cover-up.

So it might appear.

Bloody hell...

 

[ymu]

Useful titbit here. If you ever get raided y the Met: obstruct them, make them think you might turn violent and they'll just give up and let your solicitor fob them off. Established procedure, apparently.

News International "obstructed" the original inquiry into criminal activity at the News of the World, refusing to hand over evidence to police of phone-hacking and thwarting a raid on its east London offices, senior detectives have told the Leveson inquiry into press ethics.

Keith Surtees, an investigating officer with the Metropolitan police hacking inquiry in 2006, told Lord Justice Leveson how officers were photographed and feared they might be attacked when they searched the newspaper for evidence.

Scotland Yard officers went to the tabloid's Wapping offices after they arrested royal editor Clive Goodman on 8 August 2006 on suspicion of intercepting voicemails left on royal aides' mobile phones.

Surtees said there was "some difficulty" conducting the search and recalled how four officers seized material from Goodman's desk and were then confronted by photographers and challenged by staff on the legality of their raid.

The police were concerned that staff could "offer some form of violence", although this did not happen. Surtees told Leveson the officers tried to get their forensic team into the building but were refused entry. There followed "a tense standoff".

"They were left outside. Our officers were effectively surrounded and photographed and not assisted in any way, shape or form," he said.
An internal memo from Surtees described the paper as "obstructive". The Met then wrote to publisher News International's law firm Burton Copeland asking it to hand over documents relating to payments to Glenn Mulcaire, the private investigator who formerly worked for the paper and was arrested at the same time as Goodman on suspicion of intercepting voicemails.

They also sought floorplans of desks and accompanying telephone numbers to try to establish if three other News of the World journalists had been involved in hacking. News International rebuffed the requests.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Useful titbit here. If you ever get raided y the Met: obstruct them, make them think you might turn violent and they'll just give up and let your solicitor fob them off. Established procedure, apparently.

Yes. I too was a bit puzzled by that.

Wouldn't the Met normally call in a bunch of riot police to kick the living shit out of anyone obstructing them en-masse like that?

 

[ymu]

Yes. I too was a bit puzzled by that.

Wouldn't the Met normally call in a bunch of riot police to kick the living shit out of anyone obstructing them en-masse like that?

Yes. Brian Paddick said as much at Leveson. Which is nice. Lib Dem in 'has uses' shock.

 

[butchersapron]

Yes. Brian Paddick said as much at Leveson. Which is nice. Lib Dem in 'has uses' shock.

His whole thing is very useful and will have people picking through it for a while. Ill link to his typed statement when i get on a proper computer later.

 

[sleaterkinney]

Looking forward to Yates and hayman today.

 

[DexterTCN]

Andy Hayman and John Yates today....should be interesting.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/hi/house_of_commons/newsid_8167000/8167512.stm livelink

 

[butchersapron]

His whole thing is very useful and will have people picking through it for a while. Ill link to his typed statement when i get on a proper computer later.

Here (non pdf)

 

[ymu]

Here (non pdf)

Had that on my list to hunt down later. Thanks!

 

[two sheds]

Yes. I too was a bit puzzled by that.

Wouldn't the Met normally call in a bunch of riot police to kick the living shit out of anyone obstructing them en-masse like that?

I think you'll find the NI people were armed with rolled up newspapers that makes it a health & safety issue.

 

[butchersapron]

32 year old woman arrested after NI management grass up...come on, war, make war.

 

[Santino]

I can't figure out that the NI Management Standards Committee is. I'd assumed that it was just a way of putting things at an arms length from Murdoch. Is it really doing anything that he hasn't told it to do? Or has he said 'Do what must be done', because exposing the whole truth is the only way forward now?

 

[ymu]

I can't figure out that the NI Management Standards Committee is. I'd assumed that it was just a way of putting things at an arms length from Murdoch. Is it really doing anything that he hasn't told it to do? Or has he said 'Do what must be done', because exposing the whole truth is the only way forward now?

They're jettisoning everything to do with UK newspapers, and possibly all newspapers, asap in order to try and save the much bigger NewsCorp empire. They're co-operating like fuck because of the US Foreign and Corrupt Practices Act. They have to be seen to be doing this right or they potentially lose everything.

Guardian had an article in yesterdays homepage bundle on Murdoch, if you want to find it. Was quite in depth on internal reorganisation away from newspapers etc.

 

[coltrane]

From

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/mar/01/leveson-inquiry-yates-hayman-clarke-live-live#block-85

"2.22pm: Yates says it was pointless pursuing Mulcaire again as he has already served time for phone hacking.

"I took the view, rightly or wrongly, that more evidence against Mulcaire would actually take us nowhere at all. He was never going to stand trial again for phone hacking. He had been
dealt with, sentenced and that process had been complete.""



Would i be correct in interpreting this as implying that if i had committed as series of bank robberies and i had been charged and sentenced for one bank robbery then Yates is of the view that i shouldn't be charged with the other bank robberies if new evidence emerged that i had committed them?​

 

[London_Calling]

Catching up....

Mr Watson, the MP for West Bromwich East, alleged former News of the World reporter Alex Marunchak was overheard saying he was paying police public relations for information about the Soham deaths in 2002.

"I believe the Met [Police] is sitting on an intelligence report from late 2002 that claims a police contact overheard Marunchak claim he was paying the relatives of police officers in Cambridgeshire for information about the Soham murders," Mr Watson said.

"As far as we know, those allegations have not been investigated."

"I do not know whether the intelligence reports are accurate, but I do know that Alex Marunchak was involved in writing stories about how the Manchester United tops of those young girls were found," he said

Lots of stuff there, inc. Mr Marunchak again, alleged payments to police beyond the Met and potential Dowler scale public reaction.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-17217685

 

[ymu]

From

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/mar/01/leveson-inquiry-yates-hayman-clarke-live-live#block-85

"2.22pm: Yates says it was pointless pursuing Mulcaire again as he has already served time for phone hacking.

"I took the view, rightly or wrongly, that more evidence against Mulcaire would actually take us nowhere at all. He was never going to stand trial again for phone hacking. He had been​

dealt with, sentenced and that process had been complete.""​

​

​

​

Would i be correct in interpreting this as implying that if i had committed as series of bank robberies and i had been charged and sentenced for one bank robbery then Yates is of the view that i shouldn't be charged with the other bank robberies if new evidence emerged that i had committed them?​

Yup. I'm amazed the CPS hasn't published this guidance more widely. How many dawn raids have we tolerated, how many years of punishment-free recidivism have we wasted, all through sheer ignorance of how the law really works.

 

[agricola]

I can't figure out that the NI Management Standards Committee is. I'd assumed that it was just a way of putting things at an arms length from Murdoch. Is it really doing anything that he hasn't told it to do? Or has he said 'Do what must be done', because exposing the whole truth is the only way forward now?

One would imagine they are exposing absolutely every piece of information that demonstrates that Rupert and James had nothing to do with it and that it was all the fault of various underlings.

 

[Teaboy]

Would i be correct in interpreting this as implying that if i had committed as series of bank robberies and i had been charged and sentenced for one bank robbery then Yates is of the view that i shouldn't be charged with the other bank robberies if new evidence emerged that i had committed them?

Or he's saying that he didnt think phone hacking was that bigger a deal, illegal yes but way down the scale, he had far more important things to be getting on with. Its a line he's used throughout and one that I've heard from other coppers. They did an investigation, they caught the man, he got punished, now off to do some proper policing.

tbf its a line which could have had some credability if it was just about celebs secrets being revealed, however given everything that has come out he now looks like a complete mug or worse.

 

[butchersapron]

One would imagine they are exposing absolutely every piece of information that demonstrates that Rupert and James had nothing to do with it and that it was all the fault of various underlings.

Yes. That's what i was struggling to say earlier.

 

[barney_pig]

BBC news reporting Virginia wheeler sun defence editor arrested