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Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"

Loads, it looks like. Jowell and Blunkett refused to co-operate with plod - Jowell in charge of media at the time!

Again - Tony Bliar never used a mobile whilst in office.
 
Blunkett is more interesting because we know he was hacked and he's consistently said he aint that bothered about it. Of course its purely coincidental that he got a nicely paid column in The Sun (or was it the screws?) after leaving office.

Its worth bearing in mind that Blunkett was home secretary at this point, yet again national security looms into view. Of course Blunkett's not going to say a thing the self serving fucking coward.
 
RE Blunkett: where do you think information came from about the affair with the married woman and his son, and even more information as it unfolded?
 
Of course. And what did Blunkett, as serving Home Sec, have to say about where the information was coming from?

That indicates the hold Murdoch had over a UK Government.
 
articul8 said:
How much did the Blair government know?:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/mar/02/tony-blair-phone-hacking-police?newsfeed=true
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The Blair government and its spin doctor Alastair Campbell had a policy of cultivating close links with the Murdoch papers, including the News of the World, which had supported the party at past general elections. According to Prescott and others, they were unwilling to challenge the behaviour of the Murdoch press.

Police failed to turn over to the Leveson inquiry the secret report they had sent to the home secretary. When Clarke disclosed its existence during his testimony, Leveson called for the inquiry to be supplied with it.
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binka said:
isnt the default password thing a myth? i was under the impression people who had changed their pin also got hacked (via info paid for from people working at the phone companies)
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Yeah. Some of the early stories implied that the hacking was just about default pins being tried, and some people still seem to think that's all it was. Which is extraordinary given the column inches since then. Maybe they only read the Murdoch press? Or just don't read.
 
Buzz sw9 said:
Any of these people who are giving evidence next week likely to say anything interesting?

Roger Baker (HM Inspectorate of Constabulary)
Elizabeth Filkin
Sir Paul Stephenson (former MPS)
Lord Condon (former MPS)
Chief Constable Lynne Owens (Surrey Police and former MPS)
Lord Stevens (former MPS)
Lord Blair (former MPS)
Tim Godwin (former MPS)
Bob Quick (former MPS)
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All of them, if interrogated properly?

Surrey police evidence should be v. interesting wrt the Dowler stuff.

If the inquiry QC grills Stevens & Blair on the contents of Paddick's statement, things could get very uncomfortable indeed for them.

Condon - was he in charge during a large part of the Daniel Morgan murder investigation? Stephens too? I'm only a bit better on Chief Constables than queens and kings...
 
binka said:
isnt the default password thing a myth? i was under the impression people who had changed their pin also got hacked (via info paid for from people working at the phone companies)
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I think the default password was the main conduit for the kind of phone hacking we've heard of so far. I haven't really thought about anything beyond that, to be honest. There should be no way that a regular employee of the phone company can tell what a changed PIN is - standard security stuff - but then again the phone company will need access to stored messages for legal reasons, I guess. Hmmm. Anyone know?
 
ymu said:
Yeah. Some of the early stories implied that the hacking was just about default pins being tried, and some people still seem to think that's all it was. Which is extraordinary given the column inches since then. Maybe they only read the Murdoch press? Or just don't read.
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What other vector do you think was being used? In intercepting phone messages I mean, there's obviously loads of other stuff here?
 
TheHoodedClaw said:
I think the default password was the main conduit for the kind of phone hacking we've heard of so far.
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Nah, I think that's just in the reporting. The 15-digit code that allows you to reset the 4-digit password has a long name that doesn't fit in the narrow column of a news page, so it goes under-reported.
 
laptop said:
Nah, I think that's just in the reporting. The 15-digit code that allows you to reset the 4-digit password has a long name that doesn't fit in the narrow column of a news page, so it goes under-reported.
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IMEI number then? Doesn't that need physical access to the phone, or is that available easily to phone company employees?
 
TheHoodedClaw said:
IMEI number then?
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Unless it's the IMSI number you need? Dunno, never hacked a phone.

TheHoodedClaw said:
Doesn't that need physical access to the phone, or is that available easily to phone company employees?
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I'd have thought they both had to be available to the billing system - in fact that there was a

Code: 
SELECT * FROM subscriber AS S INNER JOIN equipment AS E ON S.imei=E.imei
relation at the heart of it.

So: yes, available to some phone company employees.
 
laptop said:
So: yes, available to some phone company employees.
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Ok, so IMEI identifies the actual physical device, IMSI is used to manage the device interaction with the various networks it is capable of interacting with. How does this help accessing voicemails? I mean, who has access to the voicemail passwords?
 
TheHoodedClaw said:
I think the default password was the main conduit for the kind of phone hacking we've heard of so far. I haven't really thought about anything beyond that, to be honest. There should be no way that a regular employee of the phone company can tell what a changed PIN is - standard security stuff - but then again the phone company will need access to stored messages for legal reasons, I guess. Hmmm. Anyone know?
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What is the point of commenting on a story you haven't been following?

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201012/cmselect/cmhaff/907/90706.htm
 
TheHoodedClaw said:
Ok, so IMEI identifies the actual physical device, IMSI is used to manage the device interaction with the various networks it is capable of interacting with. How does this help accessing voicemails? I mean, who has access to the voicemail passwords?
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All I know is that there were better-informed reports early in this saga saying that some hacking involved supplying a 15-digit number which allows the person holding it to change the voicemail password.

There's so much, it'd be hard to dig out references, and it's time to go home. And is the "search thread" function hiding from me, or missing?
 
TheHoodedClaw said:
Mandelson was probably not dumb enough to keep a default voicemail password.
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That was in the very early days - the Royals.

Before long, it didn't matter what the password was, they paid people at the Telecomms as well. It didn't matter if you changed your provider, either. You could have 8 phones, Mulcaire and friends had the details of every one of them.
 
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