Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"

[DaveCinzano]

Bloody Ukrainians, coming over here, stealing our voicemails, getting involved in axe murders...

 

[London_Calling]

In relation to Marunchak's interest in Ian Hurst's computer, it would be nice to think that somewhere down the road it would be handy that Marunchak is one of the few journalists to have signed the OSA.

 

[DaveCinzano]

I wouldn't think it really makes that much difference, everyone is subject to the OSA whether or not they have signed it.

 

[Mr Moose]

It's now being contended by the Polis that the horse was returned in a 'poor' state. If that doesn't suggest the love in is over don't know what would.

Somewhat ironic that Brooks is now subject to the kind of innuendo NI papers excelled in.

 

[butchersapron]

I wouldn't think it really makes that much difference, everyone is subject to the OSA whether or not they have signed it.

Might effect sentencing though...

 

[articul8]

Yeah - for me this element of the story represents the ugly reality of just how posionous and deep rooted NI's infection of the body politic was. This is not really about the phone hacking of murder victims in pursuit of headlines (odious though that is), its about News International's mafia/stasi like hold over the police and the political system achived via surveilance, blackmail and bribery.

Tom Watson has called an adjournment day debate on the Morgan case this afternoon.

 

[coltrane]

I just heard on Radio 5 Live that James Murdoch has stepped down as Executive Chairman of News International.

 

[Plumdaff]

On Guardian ticker too

 

[Lord Camomile]

Sorry, haven't been keeping track of this as much as I should lately. Is that the move that was kind of always expected, or did that happen sometime last year?

I always thought there was a story about James that wasn't quite as big as it might sound, because it had been planned for a while and wasn't necessarily due to the NotW stuff.

 

[belboid]

confirmed:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...nternational/2012/02/29/gIQALwc6hR_story.html

 

[Lord Camomile]

News Corporation statement:

News Corporation today announced that, following his relocation to the company's headquarters in New York, James Murdoch, deputy chief operating officer, has relinquished his position as executive chairman of News International, its UK publishing unit. Tom Mockridge, chief executive officer of News International, will continue in his post and will report to News Corporation president and COO Chase Carey.

"We are all grateful for James' leadership at News International and across Europe and Asia, where he has made lasting contributions to the group's strategy in paid digital content and its efforts to improve and enhance governance programs," said Rupert Murdoch, chairman and chief executive officer, News Corporation. "He has demonstrated leadership and continues to create great value at Star TV, Sky Deutschland, Sky Italia, and BSkyB. Now that he has moved to New York, James will continue to assume a variety of essential corporate leadership mandates, with particular focus on important pay-TV businesses and broader international operations."

"I deeply appreciate the dedication of my many talented colleagues at News International who work tirelessly to inform the public and am confident about the tremendous momentum we have achieved under the leadership of my father and Tom Mockridge," said James Murdoch. "With the successful launch of the Sun on Sunday and new business practices in place across all titles, News International is now in a strong position to build on its successes in the future. As deputy chief operating Officer, I look forward to expanding my commitment to News Corporation's international television businesses and other key initiatives across the company."

 

[butchersapron]

relinquished

 

[Santino]

Not enough relinquishing is done these days.

 

[Ted Striker]

Bizarre story - Brooks (when Sun editor) herself was hacked by NotW...http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/brookss-phone-hacked-weekly

Not sure what to make of it. Would go in her favour to bolster her deniability of the practice.

 

[butchersapron]

This all said at lev today?

Robert Jay QC, counsel to the press standards inquiry, said today: "Rebekah Wade, as she then was, was one of the most accessed since 2005, twice a week."

Tom Crone, the News of the World's head of legal, summarised the information Ms Brooks received from police in an email headed "strictly private and confidential" to the paper's then-editor Andy Coulson on September 15 2006.

The memo concluded: "They're going to contact RW (Rebekah Wade, Ms Brooks's maiden name) today to see if she wishes to take it further."
Mr Jay commented: "This relates to a formal complaint that Rebekah Wade might make in her capacity as victim.

"It is not the more sinister interpretation, whether she wishes to take the investigation into News International further."

Detective Chief Superintendent Philip Williams, who led the Metropolitan Police's original investigation into phone-hacking, agreed, saying: "This is purely: 'You're a potential victim, would you like to join our prosecution?'"

What does "counsel to the press standards inquiry," mean exactly?

 

[Buzz sw9]

What does "counsel to the press standards inquiry," mean exactly?

http://www.levesoninquiry.org.uk/people/counsel-to-inquiry/

 

[butchersapron]

Ta. So he's questioning here. So who is he saying this too? Who is he explaining it to?

 

[Buzz sw9]

Ta. So he's questioning here. So who is he saying this too? Who is he explaining it to?

If I understand your question, he is talking to the judge and through the judge, the public.

I think what he is doing is reading into evidence so it is "on the record", if it is not challenged it is taken as fact.

 

[butchersapron]

I get reading in. But he's doing more than that isn't he? He's commenting and making judgements.

 

[Buzz sw9]

I get reading in. But he's doing more than that isn't he? He's commenting and making judgements.

sorry I edited my last post to add "if it is not challenged it is taken as fact", I think that covers your point.

 

[butchersapron]

Ta again, but i'm nor sure that you're right here.

 

[Buzz sw9]

At the end of evidence the judge will look at everything, many witnesses who have given evidence have made assertions, inferences and speculations as well as providing facts with supporting evidence.

I understood that evidence given to an inquire that is not challenged is taken as being correct and facts with-in that evidences therefore accept.

I'm not a lawyer.

 

[butchersapron]

At the end of evidence the judge will look at everything, many witnesses who have given evidence have made assertions, inferences and speculations as well as providing facts with supporting evidence.

I understood that evidence given to an inquire that is not challenged is taken as being correct and facts with-in that evidences therefore accept.

I'm not a lawyer.

But he's not giving evidence - see what i mean?

 

[Buzz sw9]

But he's not giving evidence - see what i mean?

He is not giving evidence as a witness but his job is to ensure the inquire gets all the evidence it needs to come to a judgement.

 

[coltrane]

Tom Watson has managed to get a debate in the HOC on Daniel Morgan murder (axe in back of head in Penge pub car park) at 4pm today.

http://twitter.com/#!/tom_watson

"I'm with Alastair Morgan. His brother was murdered 25 years this March 10th. There's a debate at 4pm. Nothing else can get in the way of it."

 

[butchersapron]

I'm sure it is, but he's saying:

Robert Jay QC, counsel to the press standards inquiry, said today: "Rebekah Wade, as she then was, was one of the most accessed since 2005, twice a week."

Tom Crone, the News of the World's head of legal, summarised the information Ms Brooks received from police in an email headed "strictly private and confidential" to the paper's then-editor Andy Coulson on September 15 2006.

The memo concluded: "They're going to contact RW (Rebekah Wade, Ms Brooks's maiden name) today to see if she wishes to take it further."
Mr Jay commented: "This relates to a formal complaint that Rebekah Wade might make in her capacity as victim.

"It is not the more sinister interpretation, whether she wishes to take the investigation into News International further."

Detective Chief Superintendent Philip Williams, who led the Metropolitan Police's original investigation into phone-hacking, agreed, saying: "This is purely: 'You're a potential victim, would you like to join our prosecution?'"

which is far beyond that.

 

[Buzz sw9]

Are you referring to the comments by jay about halfway down?

 

[butchersapron]

Yes.

 

[Buzz sw9]

Evidence to his first words ""This relates to a formal complaint that Rebekah Wade might make in her capacity as victim" is evidenced by Detective Chief Superintendent Philip Williams, "You're a potential victim, would you like to join our prosecution?'"

I can only assume he included this "It is not the more sinister interpretation, whether she wishes to take the investigation into News International further" because someone has asserted in evidence that this could be another interpretation.

But I would hope we are going to hear more evidence on this in due course.

 

[ymu]

I expect Alex Marunchak is starting to feel the heat somewhat right now with his name being brought up in connection with the Hames/Cook stuff (he was working for the met bang in this period) and being shown to have commissioned Philip Campbell Smith to hack an ex-Army intelligence officers computer (got four months yesterday) whilst he was a NOTW executive. He always seems to just...be there.

It also seems possible that their involvement in the Daniel Morgan murder case started before the Hames/Cook harrassment stuff. Morgan's brother says he was about to blow open a police corruption racket, and at the time he was working with John Rees, prime suspect and a private detective who was supplying the NoTW with lots of juicy shit from corrupt coppers ...

That is, obviously, speculation too far right now, but just on what they have now, Marunchak must be looking at serious time, along with a fair few others.