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Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"

articul8 said:
I don't know. First the very fact that the Met are giving a running commentary on what evidence they have found that back-up criminal prosecutions (and what won't stack up) with senior NI management is dodgy for a start. The quantitiy of victims is clearly known to be higher than the met or NI were publically admitting at the time. And the last line seems to imply that there was some covert agreement between RW and the met not to look to hard beyond GM and Goodman.
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We don't know it's running or a one off and the last line seems to suggest they want to see if she wants to grass up CG and GM.
 
Seems dodgy that this kind of info is getting back to Coulson, given that should be part of what's being investigated (as - arguably - should Brooks). The last line seems to hint at something beyond going after Goodman and Mulcaire - it seems to suggest that they know there's more out there but hinting to RW that they can probably get away with letting it rest at the "rogue reporter" stage.
 
This last line?

10: they are going to contact RW [presumed to be a reference to Rebekah Wade] today to see if she wishes to take it further."
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Given it's coming from crone 'take it further' should not be read as a threat. More, if she wants to add to burying the two we have...
 
I read the "it" being the investigation not criminal charges? ie. the police are saying " - do you want us to bottom out how far this goes in your organisation, or do you want us to close it down and limit it to what we've got on the two (and hope that lances the boil for you)".
 
articul8 said:
I read the "it" being the investigation not criminal charges? ie. the police are saying " - do you want us to bottom out how far this goes in your organisation, or do you want us to close it down and limit it to what we've got on the two (and hope that lances the boil for you)".
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I don't. I read it - and remember you're reading crone's version of what the police told RW - as meaning they'll be contacting her to see if she will grass up the people she later grassed up. It's not the OB saying what shall we do as you are in control - as the later 2007 conviction shows.
 
I don't see there is ever any question of not hanging Goodman and Mulcaire out to dry by this stage - RW had lost control of it to that extent. It's just a question of how far it implicates the rest of the operation. No wonder Coulson wanted to know what was being discussed.
 
articul8 said:
I don't see there is ever any question of not hanging Goodman and Mulcaire out to dry by this stage - RW had lost control of it to that extent. It's just a question of how far it implicates the rest of the operation. No wonder Coulson wanted to know what was being discussed.
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In that email? No.
 
laptop said:
I think we're being invited to read between the lines of the reported warning: "We're going only after these two so far and you don't need to worry if you're nice to us" yes?

If I were approached by cops keen to tell me they were not prosecuting me I'd certainly be reading between the lines!
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Could work the other way. You'd feel that way, but would a professional blackmailer who had dirt on said cops have the same interpretation?
 
Yesterday rather put Trevor Kavanagh's bleatings about a witch hunt, etc in context.

Seems somehow more than a few months since Culture Secretary Jeremy Hunt was minded to approve the takeover of BSkyB....
 
two sheds said:
@ LondonCalling: he said it was 'within the law' though (yes you're right of course they're lying bastards), this is a proper accusation of illegal payments.
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It' was always an oyxmoron. You cannot pay police officers 'within the law'. She admitted criminal acts to a Parliamentary Select Commitee in 2003, and which now people are putting up their hands in horror about.
 
butchersapron said:
Bit confused by the attention on this this one as it shows was that they were told in 2006 of an ongoing prosecution of Mulcaire and the other one who were then convicted in 2007. The whole email only points to Mulcaire and Goodman. This isn't a smoking gun.
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I don't think the important thing was the warning, it was that she was assured the situation was being 'managed' at The Met and the investigation would be limited to those two, and would not be allowed to get out of tight control.

eta: On that back of that assurance from with The Met, NI obv. developed a strategy which stood up for several years (the 'rogue reporter').
 
sleaterkinney said:
Can't do c+p on my phone but met police confirmed they loaned a horse to Brooks for 2008-10. Ffs
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Yes, just heard it on the news, lacking much detail just now but it could be a delicious side-issue. Any more gifts shared between mps and ni? Most fucking likely, I'd guess.
 
sleaterkinney said:
Can't do c+p on my phone but met police confirmed they loaned a horse to Brooks for 2008-10. Ffs
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Heh excellent. Mind you, if it was a retired horse that's not so bad - it's a bugger to home them. It's a gift that keeps on taking, too.

Also some decent jokes on twitter:

@TheMediaTweets "Why the long face?" "I've been loaned to Rebekah Brooks."
 
I think the horse story was intended to distract from the other evidence about the Daniel Morgan case, interfering with a police investigation
 
The interesting q is why? Why would Brookes borrow a knackered retired horse from the Met when she's married to a racehorse trainer with a large stable.

The answer is probably, like the eager-to-please junior reporter they had change his name by deed poll to 'Harry Potter', because she could:

At 5pm I approached Ms Wade's office, without broomstick or wand, to find her and and several other News International executives sat around seemingly awaiting my magical appearance as the schoolboy wizard. It was only when an aggrieved deputy editor Andy Coulson demanded to know where my outfit was that I realised this was no joke. I spluttered something out about leaving it in the photo studio. Coulson declared: "You should have your Harry Potter costume with you at all times. There could be a Harry Potter emergency."
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It sometimes feels they believed they were invincible, like emperors. People were play things, they asked for things to prove they could ask for anything.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/m...-your-harry-potter-costume-on-now-640911.html
 
London_Calling said:
The interesting q is why? Why would Brookes borrow a knackered retired horse from the Met when she's married to a racehorse trainer with a large stable.
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It might have made a nice wee cozy article in the Saturday mag? "What happens to hero horses when they retire?". Her husband certainly has the facilities to look after a few extra elderly nags. It's a nothing story, but as sleaterkinney said above, the timing of the "revelation" is intriguing, given that there seems to have been a murder investigation compromised.
 
sleaterkinney said:
I think the horse story was intended to distract from the other evidence about the Daniel Morgan case, interfering with a police investigation
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Agreed. It's going to get the headlines

Tom Watson is saying a lot in parliament tomorrow about Morgan according to the Daniel Morgan campaign twitter account.
 
Dan U said:
Agreed. [The horse is] going to get the headlines

Tom Watson is saying a lot in parliament tomorrow about Morgan according to the Daniel Morgan campaign twitter account.
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And there was me just thinking that, daft though it is, it could do damage.

Envy. Woman can keep horses. Cops give her horse. For why?
 
laptop said:
And there was me just thinking that, daft though it is, it could do damage.

Envy. Woman can keep horses. Cops give her horse. For why?
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it was a gift horse. for her not to look in the mouth. perhaps they should have blinded it too.
 
In a meeting with her husband, she said Brooks "repeated the unconvincing explanation that the News of the World believed we were having an affair". Hames said: "I believe that the real reason for the NoW placing us under surveillance was that suspects in the Daniel Morgan murder inquiry were using their association with a powerful and well-resourced newspaper to try to intimidate us and so attempt to subvert the investigation."

She told the inquiry that it was impossible not to conclude that there had been "collusion between people at the News of the World and people who were suspected of killing Daniel Morgan".

Private investigator Jonathan Rees, said to have earned £150,000 a year from the News of the World for supplying illegally obtained information, was eventually accused of Morgan's murder but the trial collapsed and he was cleared last March.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/feb/28/leveson-inquiry-murder-suspects
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Dynamite.
 
ymu said:
Dynamite.
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Yeah - for me this element of the story represents the ugly reality of just how posionous and deep rooted NI's infection of the body politic was. This is not really about the phone hacking of murder victims in pursuit of headlines (odious though that is), its about News International's mafia/stasi like hold over the police and the political system achived via surveilance, blackmail and bribery.
 
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ymu said:
Dynamite.
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I expect Alex Marunchak is starting to feel the heat somewhat right now with his name being brought up in connection with the Hames/Cook stuff (he was working for the met bang in this period) and being shown to have commissioned Philip Campbell Smith to hack an ex-Army intelligence officers computer (got four months yesterday) whilst he was a NOTW executive. He always seems to just...be there.
 
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