Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"

[ViolentPanda]

i find waffle extends throughout academia, far beyond the first year

It's hardly waffle, it's a fairly standard analysis supported by about 30 years of psychological research.

Of course, you'd like it to be "waffle", but fate just isn't being kind to you, Gav.

 

[frogwoman]

In the Guardian article it says that Brown

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/11/phone-hacking-news-international-gordon-brown

Scotland Yard recently wrote separately to Brown and to his wife to tell them that their details had been found in evidence collected by Operation Weeting, the special inquiry into phone hacking at the News of the World. It is believed that this refers to handwritten notes kept by Mulcaire, which were seized by police in August 2006 and never previously investigated. Brown last year asked Scotland Yard if there was evidence he had been targeted by the private investigator and was told there was none.

wtf ...

 

[elevendayempire]

Yes, and they HACKED THE FUCKING PLOD INVESTIGATING THEM. It's full-on criminal conspiracy stuff now, there's no way Murdoch can escape unscathed.

 

[ViolentPanda]

To assume that people generally just accept what they're told unless they're formally educated in how to think for themselves is massively arse about face.

Absolutely, which is why gavman's attribution of unthinking acceptance by (to use his own word) "many" people of what they read in the paper shows a lack of understanding, and a horrific level of condescension from this supposedly enlightened poster.

To assume that because a person reads a particular paper they're unwilling and/or unable to think critically is the worst kind of humbug.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Yes, and they HACKED THE FUCKING PLOD INVESTIGATING THEM. It's full-on criminal conspiracy stuff now, there's no way Murdoch can escape unscathed.

Do we mean Murdoch, or do we mean News International/Newscorp, though?

I'd rather see News International tank, and earn Murdoch the loss of power and position, than just see Rupe retire from public life, IYSWIM.

 

[pk]

Oh, this gets gooder and gooder by the day.

Cops are livid, ex-NoTW staff setting up anonymous accounts to drop even more examples of horrific insider stuff, it's almost too good to be true!

Putting hundreds of media-savvy unscrupulous hacks out on "gardening leave" whilst trying to spin a sympathy tale is probably Murdoch's most "senior" moment to date.

Newsflash, Rupert... your fucking phones and Rebekah Wade's too were almost certainly hacked by the cops, think this was a one-way street?

I've waited a long time for this, I really have.

 

[elevendayempire]

Do we mean Murdoch, or do we mean News International/Newscorp, though?

I'd rather see News International tank, and earn Murdoch the loss of power and position, than just see Rupe retire from public life, IYSWIM.

Best-case scenario: Rupert, James and Rebekah facing criminal charges in the UK and US, ruled not 'fit and proper' to own a single share of BSkyB, News Corp effectively dismantled, and the phone-hacking rot spreading to the Daily Mail and Dacre. Oh, that would be beautiful.

 

[flutterbye]

Are the telephone companies escaping from this unscathed?

 

[elevendayempire]

Oh, this gets gooder and gooder by the day.

Cops are livid, ex-NoTW staff setting up anonymous accounts to drop even more examples of horrific insider stuff, it's almost too good to be true!

Putting hundreds of media-savvy unscrupulous hacks out on "gardening leave" whilst trying to spin a sympathy tale is probably Murdoch's most "senior" moment to date.

Newsflash, Rupert... your fucking phones and Rebekah Wade's too were almost certainly hacked by the cops, think this was a one-way street?

I've waited a long time for this, I really have.

We already know the NotW hacks tapped into Brooks' phone for the lulz, right? They must have some dirt on her. Firing 200 of them was not, perhaps, the best idea NI have ever had.

 

[ymu]

Do we mean Murdoch, or do we mean News International/Newscorp, though?

I'd rather see News International tank, and earn Murdoch the loss of power and position, than just see Rupe retire from public life, IYSWIM.

Newsnight just had his biographer on, from the US. According to him, it's now an issue of corporate governance over there. Murdoch running a public company like a personal fiefdom, what the fuck were the board doing, etc etc.

Looks like we can happily answer 'both' to that question.

 

[ymu]

Best-case scenario: Rupert, James and Rebekah facing criminal charges in the UK and US, ruled not 'fit and proper' to own a single share of BSkyB, News Corp effectively dismantled, and the phone-hacking rot spreading to the Daily Mail and Dacre. Oh, that would be beautiful.

That's the worst case scenario now, surely.

Best case is the coalition crumbling along with everything New Labour stood for, the complete collapse of the Met, CPS and large parts of the judiciary, along with the pro-austerity, pro-banker media in this country, and a series of governments brought to their knees in short order whilst we, 'the people'. have a proper think about what democracy really means and how we want to implement it.

That is an absolute best case scenario, obv.

 

[elbows]

Several times in 2011 I thought Id died and gone to heaven.

Oh news, you've seldom been so sweet, a long way to go but a good start.

Potential. Hope of real change on multiple fronts. Gains not solidified yet by any means but at least there is potential. Don't know which way the winds of change are blowing yet but at least they are blowing in a way that isn't 100% ugly, unlike certain decades I could name.

 

[frogwoman]

my feelings too elbows - am i being too optimistic do you think?

 

[Kizmet]

Take me...
to the magic of the moment,
on a glory night,
where the children of tomorrow dream away,
on the wind of change...

*waves lighter

 

[pk]

I hear nasty revelations about hacking into Harry Potter star's phone messages are imminent, particularly those of Emma Watson and Rupert Grint when they were still young children.. lots and lots of jaw-dropping stuff from beyond the grave too, email accounts, etc.

This will be another week of rage against the Murdochs.

If I were them I'd liquidate all UK assets and flee.

 

[Pickman's model]

Newsflash, Rupert... your fucking phones and Rebekah Wade's too were almost certainly hacked by the cops, think this was a one-way street?

why would the cops need to hack them when the state's got ECHELON?

 

[elevendayempire]

I hear nasty revelations about hacking into Harry Potter star's phone messages are imminent, particularly those of Emma Watson and Rupert Grint when they were still young children.. lots and lots of jaw-dropping stuff from beyond the grave too, email accounts, etc.

This will be another week of rage against the Murdochs.

If I were them I'd liquidate all UK assets and flee.

Wouldn't surprise me. I mean, it basically seems to have been NI policy to hack literally anyone who came into the public eye or found themselves at the centre of a story. So it'd be a surprise if the Potter kids weren't hacked.

Every. Single. Story. There is years worth of dirt on the NI fuckers.

 

[agricola]

why would the cops need to hack them when the state's got ECHELON?

do you think those golf balls at menwith hill are for display only?

newsflash: all telephone calls are recorded.

((( the agent who has to listen to Pickmans calls )))

 

[Pickman's model]

((( the agent who has to listen to Pickmans calls )))

(((your wife)))

 

[laptop]

((( the agent who has to listen to Pickmans calls )))

(((your wife)))

(((the hotel room you'se getting)))

 

[petee]

not a word of this on fox's main new site

still none on their front page (i just checked)
fair and balanced: everyone else is reporting it so fox won't

 

[cybertect]

Are the telephone companies escaping from this unscathed?

As I understand it, the 'hacking' involved accessing the voicemail boxes of mobiles that had been left with their default password/PIN because the owners of the phones hadn't changed them when they got the account.

Not really within the realm of the telcos, although you could argue they should issue a unique PIN securely to each of their customers in the way a bank does for your credit cards.

 

[Pickman's model]

(((the hotel room you'se getting)))

(((laptop's overactive imagination)))

 

[killer b]

As I understand it, the 'hacking' involved accessing the voicemail boxes of mobiles that had been left with their default password/PIN because the owners of the phones hadn't changed them when they got the account.

not all of it - there was also a load of blagging and corrupt employees selling details...

 

[gavman]

because of the exact process as demonstrated by this thread.
all the self appointed guardians of truth come and belittle any attempt to come up with ideas that don't fit into their own rigid formula, or use the agreed code words.
and by the time you understand the formula you can't suggest anything original of your own, because all you can do is question the basis or construction of the work of others, in the light of the work of others, that prove in fact we know nothing at all, and so it's better not to act and oh shit i'm being eaten by a tiger

i was challenged to make suggestions- in fact several people were challenged to make suggestions, but i was the only one who dared- and then all that happened was i got ridiculed for daring to stick my head above the parapet
but i stand by a belief that a majority of people accept the line the media feeds them, until they are confronted by a disharmony between what they've been told and their life experience. and because the print media is so stratified, for many people that never happens.
you guys like to refer to sources, i admit i do prefer to contrast what someone is claiming with what has happened in my own experience. often they sync
but if i've widely experienced something that is considered too unpalatable for the academics, such as ignorant and racist people read scandal sheets, it's your failing that you can no longer see that.
we are always challenged to be conscious, ethical consumers. why is there a free pass for consumers of hate sheets?
it's just class snobbery

i sense most people on this thread went to university. if you do manual work for a decade or so you learn that many people do believe what's written in the paps. they will say they don't, but if you ask them about an item in the news you will hear them regurgitate same version that they read in their paper, and many who read the worst tabloids don't watch tv news at all, so they get all their understanding of politics through one biased source.

now i know my use of 'they' and 'these people' is a red flag to those on here, but that's because you speak in terms of research figures or class criticism. i'm talking about my friends, former workmates and immediate family, so i don't feel the need to apologise

 

[laptop]

As I understand it, the 'hacking' involved accessing the voicemail boxes of mobiles that had been left with their default password/PIN because the owners of the phones hadn't changed them when they got the account.

As I understand it, it also involved blagging the 15-digit über-PIN required to discover, or alter, the PINs of those who'd set something other than default.

So the 'phone companies are arguably liable for being blaggable.

 

[DexterTCN]

Wasn't murdoch called the dirty digger?

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

Wasn't murdoch called the dirty digger?

yep well remembered

 

[ska invita]

If I were them I'd liquidate all UK assets and flee.

supposedly dumping all uk papers may be on the cards, the logic being it would leave them in a better position to take over Sky as there wont be an issue about 'plurality' (just one voice-piece) - that would also explain why they've reneged on the farming off of Sky NEws - dump the papers and keep/move for all of Sky.

[probably already been said on this thread, but just in case...]

 

[Kaka Tim]

Lots of words

Ffs - take it somewhere else. Can we keep this thread focused on the actual subjet - a huge and fast moving news story - not whatever it is you are whinging about?