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Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"

That's a fucking classic - lol :D

ETA: Bit confused by some other replies to AKA's link, does everyone realise it's a satirical news website? :hmm:

Hehehe nope not until I revisited it, if I had a middle name it would probably be 'gullible'. Oh well I'll leave the other post up for the laughs.
 
I don't really see how preventing concentration of power (which might not be a bad thing) would have any effect on newspapers printing what you call tittle tattle

So say something, what do you want to happen?

funnily enough, i'm still in the process of forming my own opinion on the 'tittle tattle'.

i have strong views about plurality, but i'm a lot more fuzzy about content.
i recognise that i'm not a popularist. i don't pretend to understand why people buy such hate sheets if they disagree with the perspective they are offered, so i'm more inclined, on this occasion, to trust my own personal experience that ignorant papers are read by ignorant people because it's a reflection of their world view.
if you have an enlightened perspective then it grates constantly to be fed a clearly biased account that doesn't tally with your own experience, or info gained from other media, and just indulges the prejudices of it's readers. to such people it's a delight to be challenged and have opinions changed.
'a wise man changes his mind often'
within my household growing up, the stupid parent read the stupid paper and the intelligent one read two intelligent papers. the stupid parent ran on outrage from accepting one view of the world, while the smart one was more sanguine and recognised that there were other viewpoints beyond those they were informed of, and things usually happened for a reason rather than at random, out of the blue or because of race

but the problem was the intelligent papers got left at work. so all i had growing up was the daily fail. now i get the impression not many fail readers post here, so i'm not sure how many can relate to growing up with such a poisonous perspective on the world, nor how hard it was as an adolescent, first developing critical thinking, to divest myself of that baggage.
so i want legal protection for the kid i was, in a household with only one tinted window to look through. i know it's traditional for papers to be biased in favour of one political party or other, but that this spreads to taint all the reporting, even (especially) apparently unrelated lifestyle features.
i think it's a form of mental abuse for society, and if successful it fosters miserable little consumers with no insight or wisdom, fearful of the outside world and seeing the threat of crime everywhere. people who then support restrictive criminal codes that attack the ones who did manage to escape the net of ignorance

so...a legal requirement to prevent bias would be my suggestion.

to go with the previous one about individual media outlets not being owned by any outside parties, especially other media outlets

i think a privacy law as well, one that differentiates between gossip and investigative journalism. a privacy law that couldn't apply to companies, corporations, government or ngo's.

and no unattributed quotes would be a good thing, but that's a bit 'micro'
 
How does this actually work as an argument? Some people like A so a lot of other people, who don't, have to suffer because of it. This is the same argument about goverments.... so about 1/4 to 1/3 of people actually vote conservative, the other 3/4 "deserve" the tories. Where does this argument actually end?

i think it ends with control of free markets, and an acceptance that unfettered, the tabloids will compete in a race for the bottom
 
Not really, not unless you're using a novel definition of schadenfreude, anyway.

i use it in the context of people wanting to read that it really is rather miserable being a celebrity after all, and that the aspirational lifestyle brings less happiness than the life being led by the reader
 
Hehehe nope not until I revisited it, if I had a middle name it would probably be 'gullible'. Oh well I'll leave the other post up for the laughs.

:D

From the site..

We have also covered all the major social and human interest stories of the last four years, beating the mainstream media to such landmark scoops as Muslim veils to feature wearer’s picture, RyanAir to charge for emotional baggage, and Grandparent commends offspring’s superior parenting skills.

Particular lol at 'RyanAir to charge for emotional baggage'. :D
 
only you can link to sources to support those claims. now, link to sources supporting your yates affair claims or shut the fuck up.

You silly prick, the allegation has been widely reported today (and denied - for what's that worth in the current climate). The fact that you seem to be the only person unaware of this means you should really be the one shutting up. Except that pretty much your entire raison d'etre seems to be wasting space and time.
 
The focus is shifting to James Murdoch for authorising payments to victims of phone hacking of which he was officially unaware. Megalulz.
 
if you have an enlightened perspective then it grates constantly to be fed a clearly biased account that doesn't tally with your own experience, or info gained from other media, and just indulges the prejudices of it's readers. to such people it's a delight to be challenged and have opinions changed.
'a wise man changes his mind often'

have a think about what you just said

and then when youve spotted the glaring contradiction have a think about what a twat it makes you sound like

so...a legal requirement to prevent bias would be my suggestion.

applied to what, all media, blogs, here? what you're saying is that no-one can establish a publication which has a point of view, because thats too dangerous - would you support then the guardian being forced to hire richard littlejohn types to comment on any story with a progressive bias


to go with the previous one about individual media outlets not being owned by any outside parties, especially other media outlets

that doesnt make sense

i think a privacy law as well, one that differentiates between gossip and investigative journalism. a privacy law that couldn't apply to companies, corporations, government or ngo's.

how would that differation occur, would you be happy to see the MPs expenses story ditched, john major shagging edwina, jeffery archer's fun and games, - where do lines get drawn, who decides, who would this benefit the most?

what youre actually demonstrating is classic tabloid thinking, i think this and this and this because of this and this and this and so this should happen, you might as well ask for a fucking spaceship, you dont appear to have any understanding of how law, society and politics work, you may be coming from a different place but to me you sound like angry man who writes letters to the daily mail
 
he's pure gold. interested to hear the guardian are paying for him - i reckon they've got value for money these last few days.

mcullan watch sunday: Beeb this morning : , Peter Hitchens and Degsy Hatton both staring glazey eyed into the camera as Mcullan recounts with a smirk on his face totally random story about young girl confessing to him to fucking her own brother...
 
According to tomorrows Mirror they tried to hack the 9/11 families,do Uncle Rupey a power of good in the US if true.
 
According to tomorrows Mirror they tried to hack the 9/11 families,do Uncle Rupey a power of good in the US if true.

My word, that will put the cat among the pigeons. The people in the US seem to react with more vigor to such things than your humble Brit may. I can see an interesting Monday coming up.
 
given that by 2002 the news of the world was hacking dead girls' phones, has anyone looked into whether in 2001 they were hacking phones belonging to 9/11 victims or their families?

if they were, that would really set the cat among the pigeons.

My word, that will put the cat among the pigeons. The people in the US seem to react with more vigor to such things than your humble Brit may. I can see an interesting Monday coming up.

:rolleyes:
 
funnily enough, i'm still in the process of forming my own opinion on the 'tittle tattle'.

i have strong views about plurality, but i'm a lot more fuzzy about content.
i recognise that i'm not a popularist. i don't pretend to understand why people buy such hate sheets if they disagree with the perspective they are offered...

Here's just a few reasons:

1) Because the red-tops are cheap.
2) Because they carry tv listings/the racing schedule and form.
3) Because they feature a particular columnist. Do you think that the people who bought the NOTW to read Martin Lewis's money-saving column are fans of "hate sheets"?

so i'm more inclined, on this occasion, to trust my own personal experience that ignorant papers are read by ignorant people because it's a reflection of their world view.

That's not basing it on your experiences, that's basing it on your prejudices.

if you have an enlightened perspective then it grates constantly to be fed a clearly biased account that doesn't tally with your own experience, or info gained from other media, and just indulges the prejudices of it's readers. to such people it's a delight to be challenged and have opinions changed.
'a wise man changes his mind often'

If you have the lack of self-awareness to write the above paragraph, the last thing you are is "enlightened".

within my household growing up, the stupid parent read the stupid paper and the intelligent one read two intelligent papers. the stupid parent ran on outrage from accepting one view of the world, while the smart one was more sanguine and recognised that there were other viewpoints beyond those they were informed of, and things usually happened for a reason rather than at random, out of the blue or because of race

but the problem was the intelligent papers got left at work. so all i had growing up was the daily fail. now i get the impression not many fail readers post here, so i'm not sure how many can relate to growing up with such a poisonous perspective on the world, nor how hard it was as an adolescent, first developing critical thinking, to divest myself of that baggage.

I grew up in a household where The Daily Mail was the only newspaper purchased, but it didn't have the effect on me that it appears to have had on you - it merely made me aware, as I grew up, that stories can be told in different ways to different constituencies. If a paper is telling a story about "the poor" that doesn't gel with what's happening to your parents and your friends' parents as poor members of the working class, then you become aware that the paper has an agenda.

so i want legal protection for the kid i was, in a household with only one tinted window to look through. i know it's traditional for papers to be biased in favour of one political party or other, but that this spreads to taint all the reporting, even (especially) apparently unrelated lifestyle features.
i think it's a form of mental abuse for society, and if successful it fosters miserable little consumers with no insight or wisdom, fearful of the outside world and seeing the threat of crime everywhere. people who then support restrictive criminal codes that attack the ones who did manage to escape the net of ignorance

What you're talking about would be as generative of ignorance as your own experiences, though. However you legislate it, you'd be removing a source of information, and I don't just mean the information known as "news" that is represented to us via the media, I mean also the information that you become aware of through your own experiences of the media - that political, economic and social biases and prejudices exist; that the media isn't an impartial purveyor, it's a biased mediator; that as above, so below.
 
if you have an enlightened perspective then it grates constantly to be fed a clearly biased account that doesn't tally with your own experience, or info gained from other media, and just indulges the prejudices of it's readers. to such people it's a delight to be challenged and have opinions changed.
you're right, it grates. so please shut the fuck up.
 
i use it in the context of people wanting to read that it really is rather miserable being a celebrity after all, and that the aspirational lifestyle brings less happiness than the life being led by the reader

Schadenfreude is the taking of pleasure in the misfortune of others, or at least that's the best I can render it in English. It's not about a desire to read stories that confirm your prejudices.
 
Anyway, back on topic....

The US is a pretty grumpy place at the moment, I wonder how (if 9/11 hacking claims are valid) their reaction will compare to Dave 'man of action' Cameron over this.
 
tweets from andrew neill...

"Stop press: sources tell me Rebekah Wade will be interviewed by police this week. Either arrested or under caution."
"Those close to Ms Wade tell me she really fears she will end up in jail."
 
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