Meredith Kercher Murder Case: Verdict expected soon

[untethered]

It's interesting that still no-one seems to have outlined a plausible scenario or motive for the murder.

Quite. The scenario alleged is pretty much unprecedented to my knowledge.

I've got no idea what the standard of proof is in Italy but this looks like anything but "beyond reasonable doubt".

 

[AKA pseudonym]

The charge was murder, not any aspect of her beliefs or lifestyle.

for sure... BUT the yanks have been parading her as an innocent incapable of murder.. I couldnt give a fuck what she got up to in her private life, but I reckon she was involved somehow in the murder of Merideth

 

[AKA pseudonym]

Well, I'm not surprised.

As soon as Guede went down there was a very good chance that he was going to take Knox and Sollecito with him.

It's interesting that still no-one seems to have outlined a plausible scenario or motive for the murder.

Part of the evidence was a previous row between Knox and meredith shortly before her death

 

[untethered]

Part of the evidence was a previous row between Knox and meredith shortly before her death

Rowing is pretty common behaviour among housemates, I'm led to believe.

How do you get from that to a group of three people collectively being motivated to mount a lethal attack on a friend/acquaintance through which they stand to gain nothing?

 

[Superdupastupor]

3x +20yr sentences,, for one seemingly accidental death...


i.e no motive for murder.



whats going on

 

[Diamond]

Part of the evidence was a previous row between Knox and meredith shortly before her death

That's pisspoor evidence on which to hang a murder charge.

 

[Gingerman]

3x +20yr sentences,, for one seemingly accidental death...


i.e no motive for murder.



whats going on

The victim was found with her throat cut,hardly an accidental death

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Haven't really been following the case but from what i've been reading and hearing tonight it certainly seems an odd one. Why would Knox blame her boss for the killing if she had nothing to hide? The bloke's DNA on Kercher's bra? He said he was downloading Japanese cartoons but ISP records don't support it, Knox's DNA on 'possible' murder weapon. She even confessed but then claimed police brutality. All very Must be bloody awful for Meredith's family, people found guilty of it, even though it still seems pretty inconclusive and no motive at all for any of it.

 

[skyscraper101]

She was doing cartwheels in the nick.

She's clearly nuts.

 

[AKA pseudonym]

That's pisspoor evidence on which to hang a murder charge.

as i said part of the evidence...
Smoky has highlighted other issues...

 

[Diamond]

Seriously worrying article here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/dec/04/meredith-kercher-amanda-knox-guilty

It seems there is still no credible motive, significant doubts about the murder weapon and a prosecution case that has been far from consistent, although admittedly that could be more normal in an Italian criminal case.

Going on what I've read I find it difficult to believe that any of them would have been convicted of murder in this jurisdiction.

 

[untethered]

as i said part of the evidence...
Smoky has highlighted other issues...

And taken as a whole they don't seem to add up to a very convincing case.

The whole "sex game that got out of hand" narrative is pure conjecture. There are no witnesses besides the accused, all of whom deny such a thing ever happened or indeed that they were even present.

Even assuming that the accused were present at the time of the murder, how do you get from amicable housemates to three people co-operating in a brutal murder?

 

[Superdupastupor]

The victim was found with her throat cut,hardly an accidental death

throats can be cut by accident , no?

 

[AKA pseudonym]

And taken as a whole they don't seem to add up to a very convincing case.

The whole "sex game that got out of hand" narrative is pure conjecture. There are no witnesses besides the accused, all of whom deny such a thing ever happened or indeed that they were even present.

Even assuming that the accused were present at the time of the murder, how do you get from amicable housemates to three people co-operating in a brutal murder?

fuck knows bud... I wasnt there...
But its a fucked up case no matter what way you look at it...
Im sure in the next few days more details will emerge...

btw: what do you think may have happened?

 

[mrfusion]

throats can be cut by accident , no?

Maybe? What did you have in mind? I don't think it's ridiculous to assume foul play if someone has their throat cut (unless they have a razor in their hands and they were alone).

 

[Iguana]

I just read this article in the Guardian; http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/dec/04/two-faces-of-amanda-knox

I can't believe this paragraph.

So many were taken aback to learn that, by the time she was arrested at the age of 20, Knox had had sex with seven men. They were less outraged by how this information was obtained: Knox was told in prison she was HIV-positive and asked to write a list of her lovers. Before she was told that a mistake had been made, the list was passed to investigators, one of whom passed it to a journalist.

That incident in itself should bring the methods and motives of the police into question.

 

[Superdupastupor]

Maybe? What did you have in mind? I don't think it's ridiculous to assume foul play if someone has their throat cut (unless they have a razor in their hands and they were alone).

as it stands 3 people have been convicted of one murder.

I could understand if three people got sent down for a premeditated conspiracy to murder someone for an obvious motive.


but 3 count on circumstantial and character evidence. it doesn't make sense


I just looks like justice by covering all the bases .


oh well someone died.

 

[goldenecitrone]

I think the DNA evidence got them. Scum.

 

[London_Calling]

I'm impressed that so many urbanites are able to distill 11 months of courtroom evidence into a feeling.

 

[Diamond]

I think the DNA evidence got them. Scum.

Which DNA evidence are you referring to?

None of it sounded very compelling.

 

[Superdupastupor]

I think the DNA evidence got them. Scum.

the DNA of a flatmate found on the victims clothes, not exactly irrefutable.

no forensic match for a murder weapon.

 

[Endeavour]

Haven't really been following the case but from what i've been reading and hearing tonight it certainly seems an odd one. Why would Knox blame her boss for the killing if she had nothing to hide? The bloke's DNA on Kercher's bra? He said he was downloading Japanese cartoons but ISP records don't support it, Knox's DNA on 'possible' murder weapon. She even confessed but then claimed police brutality. All very Must be bloody awful for Meredith's family, people found guilty of it, even though it still seems pretty inconclusive and no motive at all for any of it.

I wouldn't trust any DNA evidence in this trial.

I saw a bit of police video footage in a documentary* of the house search where they (the police) were picking up various items such as knickers and bras, shaking them whilst showing them to the camera before bagging them.

I know enough from watching tv detective dramas that you don't do that, cross contamination would be easy, if not inevitable.

(*Sex, lies & the murder of Meredith Kercher Parts )

 

[goldenecitrone]

Which DNA evidence are you referring to?

None of it sounded very compelling.

Enough for the jury.

 

[Diamond]

It wasn't exactly a jury trial. Sounds like you've got the wrong end of the stick.

 

[goldenecitrone]

It wasn't exactly a jury trial. Sounds like you've got the wrong end of the stick.

Doesn't really matter what I think. My faith in Italian justice has been restored.

 

[Diamond]

Doesn't really matter what I think. My faith in Italian justice has been restored.

I'm not really sure what your point is. Maybe you have an unswerving faith, to use your word, in the guilt of the defendants.

 

[Superdupastupor]

They can be tried seperately under most jurisdictions. Multiple defendants can be accused of the same, single offence (murder in this case) either because they jointly committed the physical acts that make up the offence (inflicting the wounds) OR they agreed to the outcome even though only one or some of them actually committed the physical acts (a joint agreement to kill her even though only one then goes on to inflict the wounds).

There is no legal requirement in most jurisdictions for defendants in the same case to be tried together (it is not unusual for them to be identified, traced and charged at seperate times so it would be unfair on the first one traced to spend years on remand whilst the others are found). In fact it is pretty common for defendants to argue that they should be tried seperately in the interests of a fair trial (usually when they want to blame each other without actually giving evidence which may convict the other ...).

from the thread in WORLD....


throws a different light on the case for me at least

 

[gnoriac]

There was zero real evidence involved, a prosecutor renowned for bullshit and of course the world's press is going to buy into any unsubstantiated extreme sexual practices. A dreadful outcome.

 

[goldenecitrone]

I'm not really sure what your point is. Maybe you have an unswerving faith, to use your word, in the guilt of the defendants.

Not unswerving, but everything I have heard about the case points to their guilt. It doesn't come across as a random killing. What do you think happened?

 

[Diamond]

I have very little idea and that's the point.

No one has presented a clear, credible account of what happened that night and for three people to have been found guilty in light of that is wrong.