Mark Duggan shooting inquest in London finally starts...

[Citizen66]

There is also CCTV where this happened. It is a major traffic spot but I expect that the images were deleted so that whatever could be claimed.

How much could have been saved in the inquest if the firearms officers had cameras attached?

I don't think it is unreasonable in 2013 if a camera is pointed when a gun is.

I agree. CCTV always seems to conveniently go missing. Surely such episodes should be audited to ascertain why?

 

[DotCommunist]

Really? Being found guilty of unlawful killing/murder is any better than getting away with it?

true, I'd been thinking people might go 'well justice has been done' rather than 'WE KNEW IT! RIOT!'

 

[MrSki]

I agree. CCTV always seems to conveniently go missing. Surely such episodes should be audited to ascertain why?

It is a fucking joke that in London that supposedly has the most CCTV in the world that so much seems to vanish when it comes to question those in authority.

 

[Citizen66]

true, I'd been thinking people might go 'well justice has been done' rather than 'WE KNEW IT! RIOT!'

although that may happen

 

[ViolentPanda]

I agree. CCTV always seems to conveniently go missing. Surely such episodes should be audited to ascertain why?

Happened to Dubversion, didn't it? The CCTV that would have shown that he didn't try to push a BTP rozzer under a tube went "walkies".

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

Happened to Dubversion, didn't it? The CCTV that would have shown that he didn't try to push a BTP rozzer under a tube went "walkies".

It apparently disappeared two or three times then reappeared again. Then at the trial (when they finally got around to having it at the third or fourth attempt) they had a copper there with the tape, then ultimately decided not to present it.

 

[ViolentPanda]

It apparently disappeared two or three times then reappeared again. Then at the trial (when they finally got around to having it at the third or fourth attempt) they had a copper there with the tape, then ultimately decided not to present it.

<Telegraph reader>
I'm deeply reassured by the OB's ability to find and lose evidence at the drop of a hat!
</Telegraph reader>

 

[CNT36]

Happened to Dubversion, didn't it? The CCTV that would have shown that he didn't try to push a BTP rozzer under a tube went "walkies".

Is that why he's not around anymore?

 

[ddraig]

no

 

[ViolentPanda]

Is that why he's not around anymore?

Nah, I think he just got a bit tired of having the same arguments with the same eejits.

 

[brogdale]

Jury deliberations have resumed today.

 

[shygirl]

Fingers crossed.

 

[DotCommunist]

incenses me that the shooters get to hide behind anonymity. These aren't delicate flowers, they are men who chose to be part of the police armed response. You don't get to be part of that role unless you are pretty resilient in the face of everyone else thinking 'cunt' of you.

 

[Corax]

I agree. CCTV always seems to conveniently go missing. Surely such episodes should be audited to ascertain why?

There were proposals a while back for all coppers to be fitted with cameras.

I'd be all for that, with conditions:

• The cameras should have no manual controls whatsoever
• The cameras should automatically upload all footage to secure cloud based storage whenever they have a wifi or 3g signal
• Said cloud storage facility should be run and controlled by an independent non-profit body, out of the reach of the police/CPS/politicians
• Obscuring a camera should be a sackable offence, and monitored by said independent body

 

[8ball]

Cameras should also be fitted to all police weaponry, police interview rooms and police staircases in that case.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Cameras should also be fitted to all police weaponry, police interview rooms and police staircases in that case.

If you want to keep tabe on coppers, better to simply install cameras in all of the nation's kebab shops.

 

[JTG]

Is that why he's not around anymore?

No, case was laughed out of court

 

[Corax]

Cameras should also be fitted to all police weaponry, police interview rooms and police staircases in that case.

Seems perfectly reasonable.

They can have no valid objection. It would protect them from malicious falsehoods.

 

[8ball]

Seems perfectly reasonable.

They can have no valid objection. It would protect them from malicious falsehoods.

Nothing to hide, nothing to fear.

 

[Corax]

Nothing to hide, nothing to fear.

Lol.

In this case, yes.

In the case of 'ordinary citizens', no.

Balance of power innit.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

No, case was laughed out of court

About 10 years ago!

 

[JTG]

About 10 years ago!

Yeah must have been - we hadn't really met at the time so must have been pre-2005

 

[TopCat]

Verdict expected at 15:30pm today. Police leave cancelled.

 

[Teaboy]

Odds on for an open verdict?

 

[xes]

Yeah must have been - we hadn't really met at the time so must have been pre-2005

2003 Bloody hell. My mint vodka may have been partially to blame for it all

 

[Pickman's model]

imo it's go for unlawful killing

 

[xes]

imo it's go for unlawful killing

what, you think a copper will get done for it? lol.

This is most unlike you, so I'm going to presume I've missread your post.

 

[Pickman's model]

what, you think a copper will get done for it? lol.

This is most unlike you, so I'm going to presume I've missread your post.

no i don't think a copper will get done for it as none got done for de menezes or for harry stanley. why is it unlike me?

 

[TopCat]

It will be an open verdict me thinks.

 

[Pickman's model]

It will be an open verdict me thinks.

we'll know in fifteen minutes anyway