Mark Duggan shooting inquest in London finally starts...

[Pickman's model]

...or just find a nice fire to warm yourself up near. There could be a few if it goes the 'wrong' way.

we're surely not burning tottenham *again*?

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Vigil cancelled as jury to deliberate tomorrow at 1030hrs.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Bloke says in his view he was shot whilst surrendering.

Police lawyer is now going to try and monster him. You say that you don't trust the police etc

I'm not sure I'd trust the police if I'd just watched them shoot down an unarmed man in cold blood.

 

[TopCat]

The vigil has been cancelled as the family don't want a fucking great riot to distract from the scabby verdict. Maybe I will be wrong and the jury will deliver an unlawful killing verdict. Maybe.

 

[shygirl]

I hope so, too, Topcat. The time taken so far gives me hope that there's at least some thorough examination of the evidence.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Coroner's told the jury they can offer a majority verdict.

 

[sim667]

When is the verdict due?

 

[butchersapron]

When is the verdict due?

They have today and tmw - if not finished by then, back on jan 2nd.

 

[TopCat]

The judge has directed that he will now accept a majority verdict.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

The judge presiding over Mark Duggan’s inquest today told jurors they must resolve a “stark problem” of contradictory evidence about how the gun he was supposedly clutching when he was shot came to be found under bushes 20ft away.

http://www.tottenhamjournal.co.uk/n...em_of_contradictory_police_evidence_1_3103080

 

[TopCat]

On the balance of probabilities, the police involved in this case are lying evil cunts.

 

[Pickman's model]

On the balance of probabilities, the police involved in this case are lying evil cunts.

i thought everyone took that as read.

 

[Citizen66]

I bet they're hoping the verdict comes today where they can attempt to bury it under Rigby/Watkins.

 

[butchersapron]

I bet they're hoping the verdict comes today where they can attempt to bury it under Rigby/Watkins.

Too late, they've been sent home for Xmas.

 

[8ball]

After the riots I think it would be optimistic for them to think this would quietly go away.

 

[Pickman's model]

After the riots I think it would be optimistic for them to think this would quietly go away.

let's start the new year with a bang.

 

[Citizen66]

Too late, they've been sent home for Xmas.

Unlucky if they were banking on that then.

 

[Dogsauce]

Don't the police have cameras for these sorts of operation? You'd have thought it'd be pretty fucking crucial if there's any risk of contention. A GoPro has got to be cheaper than the cost of pissing about trying to piece together what happened. Stick one on every police rifle for fuck's sake. It's almost as if the cunts don't want to be answerable for their conduct.

 

[Pickman's model]

Don't the police have cameras for these sorts of operation? You'd have thought it'd be pretty fucking crucial if there's any risk of contention. A GoPro has got to be cheaper than the cost of pissing about trying to piece together what happened. Stick one on every police rifle for fuck's sake. It's almost as if the cunts don't want to be answerable for their conduct.

corrected for you

 

[Citizen66]

They have cameras in vehicles don't they? Presumably, as you say, when firing live rounds they need wiggle room.

 

[IC3D]

The cameras are for collecting evidence on us not the other way round. All those man hours learning to lie in court would be wasted otherwise.

 

[Pickman's model]

The vigil has been cancelled as the family don't want a fucking great riot to distract from the scabby verdict. Maybe I will be wrong and the jury will deliver an unlawful killing verdict. Maybe.

tbh i wouldn't be surprised if there was riot whatever verdict's brought in

 

[DotCommunist]

tbh i wouldn't be surprised if there was riot whatever verdict's brought in

depends on the verdict surely

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Apparently the jury want to see photos of the blackberry phone MD had at the scene.

 

[Pickman's model]

depends on the verdict surely

i don't think so. people are pretty fucking angry about it anyway and whether it's a whitewash or not i think something will kick off

 

[MrSki]

They have cameras in vehicles don't they? Presumably, as you say, when firing live rounds they need wiggle room.

There is also CCTV where this happened. It is a major traffic spot but I expect that the images were deleted so that whatever could be claimed.

How much could have been saved in the inquest if the firearms officers had cameras attached?

I don't think it is unreasonable in 2013 if a camera is pointed when a gun is.

 

[Limerick Red]

i don't think so. people are pretty fucking angry about it anyway and whether it's a whitewash or not i think something will kick off

Aye, its either the cops are scum, we knew they'd get away...scum
or
They fuckin did it!, the fucking scum

 

[MrSki]

i don't think so. people are pretty fucking angry about it anyway and whether it's a whitewash or not i think something will kick off

But Tottenham is a dump.

There are very few shops that sell anything of worth & are mainly independent.

 

[Citizen66]

The cameras are for collecting evidence on us not the other way round. All those man hours learning to lie in court would be wasted otherwise.

In theory. But that's not how it panned out for Sgt Alexander Blackman. So perhaps that's why SO19 aren't equipped with them?

 

[Citizen66]

depends on the verdict surely

Really? Being found guilty of unlawful killing/murder is any better than getting away with it?