8ball
Decolonise colons!
"Core member" is a bit stronger than an 'alleged association'.
Mark Duggan shooting inquest in London finally starts...
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"Core member" is a bit stronger than an 'alleged association'.
Fozzie Bear
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I will concede that he had some minor convictions, having re-read some stuff.
Does that make him "a criminal"? I guess it does, along with thousands of people who have been nicked for a bit of dope, or speeding, or getting into a fight at the wrong time when they were young.
Is that the most important thing here? No, although it is clear as day that the cops and the media have collaborated as usual (Harry Stanley, Smiley Culture, Charles DeMenezes) to make it the most important thing.
Does that make him "a criminal"? I guess it does, along with thousands of people who have been nicked for a bit of dope, or speeding, or getting into a fight at the wrong time when they were young.
Is that the most important thing here? No, although it is clear as day that the cops and the media have collaborated as usual (Harry Stanley, Smiley Culture, Charles DeMenezes) to make it the most important thing.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
This wasnt oh look a black person lets shoot him he was under survillence the met dont have the budget to start operations on the off chance a black mans a bit dodgy that what stop and search is for
So gangster gangestering gets shot by the police its one of risks of the job.
Yes the police have screwed up their intial response and this inquest but Mark Duggan was a player and its a dangerpus game.
So gangster gangestering gets shot by the police its one of risks of the job.
Yes the police have screwed up their intial response and this inquest but Mark Duggan was a player and its a dangerpus game.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Mark duggan was a crim when his family come out with "he was no angel"
Your "probably" is based on...?
likesfish
You can't park here sir
They jailed the bloke he brought the gun off and a gun was found at the scene
Said gun was used to pistol whip someone.
Either the met set up an elaborate conspriacy rather difficult to have the exact gun used to pistol whip some one then plant said weapon on someome you shoot.
If it was a "throw down" you have something much more generic and prefably eastern bloc as harder to trace . Met isnt the brazillian police they are not routinely operating a shoot to kill policy.
Said gun was used to pistol whip someone.
Either the met set up an elaborate conspriacy rather difficult to have the exact gun used to pistol whip some one then plant said weapon on someome you shoot.
If it was a "throw down" you have something much more generic and prefably eastern bloc as harder to trace . Met isnt the brazillian police they are not routinely operating a shoot to kill policy.
Fozzie Bear
Well-Known Member
We don't have the death sentence in this country. And nobody is seriously proposing that it be introduced for receiving stolen goods and possession of weed, which are the only things Duggan has been convicted of.
Conceivably he could have been convicted of other things. But as with Smiley Culture, we will never know this. Because he is dead.
Conceivably he could have been convicted of other things. But as with Smiley Culture, we will never know this. Because he is dead.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
Unfortunatly hard stops can go wrong not only do the police have to get it right.
The victim has to cooperate which is kind of hard to do when several angry people are pointing guns at you.
Mark appeared to at least one copper to do the wrong thing
Nobody has developed a succesful stun weapon that works so lethal force is employed.
Having been in a situation where I was trying to get an armed man to obey my orders its not easy ( lost drunk cypriot hunter) dusk by secret british radar base during the first gulf war.
That was equal parts stupid and terrifying
The victim has to cooperate which is kind of hard to do when several angry people are pointing guns at you.
Mark appeared to at least one copper to do the wrong thing
Nobody has developed a succesful stun weapon that works so lethal force is employed.
Having been in a situation where I was trying to get an armed man to obey my orders its not easy ( lost drunk cypriot hunter) dusk by secret british radar base during the first gulf war
.That was equal parts stupid and terrifying
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
much like yourself
Yes I wouldn't believe one word of the police,guilt by association,don't think so.By the way I was friends of one of the Richardsons,nice bloke wouldn't hurt a fly but harassed because he was "one of them".
TopCat
Putin fanboy
An independent witness says Mr Duggan was holding a phone in his had when shot. he also says he filmed the incident and has given the footage to the BBC. How come this has never been shown?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-25197847
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-25197847
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
The BBC, hand over hard evidence to the police that MD was executed by the MET?
They're both as fucked up as each other.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
There has been a long running legal battle over this. I mentioned it a few months ago on the other thread, people other than the filmer have been threatened with arrests as well if i remember right
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
They were legally compelled to grass him up (a named person) - something like that. Give us a sec i'll find it.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Gah! No search function.
Story was BBC were handed a production order by the police, they refused, won the case. Then, the week before the inquest started someone was named and ordered to name the person with the footage.
Story was BBC were handed a production order by the police, they refused, won the case. Then, the week before the inquest started someone was named and ordered to name the person with the footage.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
they are just going to bury this aren't they? Causual factor in the largest riots since toxteth, and they are going to sweep it under the carpet
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
I don't see how they can. It's coming to light now that this was a pre planned execution & fit up.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I can't see that it's been shown at all. There's him talking about the footage in the inquest but that's it. It's existence is real though. BBC police and him all attest to that. The BBC appear not to have grassed him up.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
same way they did peaches, tomlinson, menezes and hillsborough and orgreaves. Lies and obfuscations.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
You don't reckon a fuck-up and cover-up?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Sorry, has now been shown to jury.
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
Unless it's a plod tactic to carry firearms in socks in the event of a fuck up. Which is pretty pointless when there's no prints/dna on said weapon.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
The definite phone is how they're going to get off btw. Seconds to respond, phone looked like an immediate threat etc
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
That is how they'll get off killing him, how does that account for the gun being found miles away though?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
He was there to pick it up. Or something.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Bloke says in his view he was shot whilst surrendering.
Police lawyer is now going to try and monster him. You say that you don't trust the police etc
Police lawyer is now going to try and monster him. You say that you don't trust the police etc
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