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Margate won't get funding for regeneration unless they sign a gagging order with TV company

There's much more to it than that. For a start I'd point to the way that supermarkets have been allowed to grow without let or hindrance, and especially the way they've diversified into the book and record markets (among other things), creaming off the profitable mass-market end of the business and making specialist retailers unviable. Then there's a slack planning regime that's simply waved through any number of unnecessary and damaging out-of-town developments, lack of investment in public transport and other things needed to facilitate high-street shopping, crap town planning in the post-war era, and so on and so forth.

IMO any solution to the high street's problems has to start by stripping the main supermarket chains of some of their functions (personally I'd like to see them restricted to being no more than retailers of cheap packaged foods and cleaning products) and preferably breaking the biggest chains up altogether, tightening up the planning rules on out-of-town developments, making the tax system disadvantageous to them, and generally creating a legislative climate in which running an independent town-centre retail business is as easy as possible, whilst initiating a new supermarket or out-of-town shopping centre is slow, difficult and eye-wateringly expensive.
Yep. The Mary Portas Review was fucking shit window dressing - completely ignoring the main problems, many of which are outlined above. You can't rescue the British High Street by simply prettying them up and doing a few pilots. The problems are much more fundamental and the Government are unwilling to tackle them cos their mates run the supermarkets.
 
If it's Govt money then Margate should get the £100k anyway.

Portas seems to be saying "we can only regenerate Margate by getting it on tv." Which therefore means her ideas must be a pile of shit anyway, and bound to fail.
 
My town of Wolverhampton got selected. It's not going to make any difference... A town crier! That's what's needed! :facepalm:


Wolverhampton wowed Portas with its idea of introducing "contemporary town criers" to shout about the city's best bits ("They'll shout 'oh yey, oh yey!' and then tell people what's on," said Gilmour). But most of the money will be used for a Dragon's Den-style project to support entrepreneurs while solving one of the city's biggest problems. Wolverhampton has the fifth highest level of empty shops in the country, and so new businesses will be given grants to move into abandoned buildings to trade and showcase their work.

Give grants to new businesses so that they can pay the council rates that existing businesses couldn't afford to pay, so have either gone bust or moved out of town. :confused:
 
I am sure here is a link but I am also thinking about the trend to relocated from high street to shopping malls by many national stores, growth of supermarkets reducing numbers of local butchers shops, veg shops, fish mongers etc ,impact of on line shopping ( must be the best thing that has ever happened for blokes) which has pretty much cornered the games and music market. Come to think of it I haven't seen many shoe shop or tobacconists recently either.

Nationally there is a north south divide regarding town centre shop vacancies but Scotlands is low.

Definitely a strong link to the recession but not convinced that it is driven by deprivation.

Edit : Found this in the LDC report
The report said that although the share of shopping taken by out-of-town shopping centres had risen to 31.5% in 2011 from 28.1% in 2000, the main cause for the decline of High Street shops was online shopping.
LDC quote research from retail consultancy Verdict which shows that online sales doubled from 5.1% in 2000 to 10.2% in 2011.
 
It's pretty obvious when the only few new shops that do appear are poundshops, places like Bright House, and cheque cashing/pawn brokers tbh
 
It's pretty obvious when the only few new shops that do appear are poundshops, places like Bright House, and cheque cashing/pawn brokers tbh

I'd never seen so many Poundlands / 99p stores before moving to Brum, there are at least 4 in the city centre alone.
 
There's much more to it than that. For a start I'd point to the way that supermarkets have been allowed to grow without let or hindrance, and especially the way they've diversified into the book and record markets (among other things), creaming off the profitable mass-market end of the business and making specialist retailers unviable. Then there's a slack planning regime that's simply waved through any number of unnecessary and damaging out-of-town developments, lack of investment in public transport and other things needed to facilitate high-street shopping, crap town planning in the post-war era, and so on and so forth.

IMO any solution to the high street's problems has to start by stripping the main supermarket chains of some of their functions (personally I'd like to see them restricted to being no more than retailers of cheap packaged foods and cleaning products) and preferably breaking the biggest chains up altogether, tightening up the planning rules on out-of-town developments, making the tax system disadvantageous to them, and generally creating a legislative climate in which running an independent town-centre retail business is as easy as possible, whilst initiating a new supermarket or out-of-town shopping centre is slow, difficult and eye-wateringly expensive.

You cannot legally tell a shop-keeper what types of stuff he may sell in his shop, provided they are legal goods, with only a few exceptions (licenced stuff like booze etc).

Changing this, so that the local council would be able to say, for example, "you can't sell newspapers, and you mustn't sell any clothes, or books, or whatever else we don't want you to sell" would be a very major intrusion in to people's rights to earn a living running a shop.

Giles..
 
You cannot legally tell a shop-keeper what types of stuff he may sell in his shop, provided they are legal goods, with only a few exceptions (licenced stuff like booze etc).

Changing this, so that the local council would be able to say, for example, "you can't sell newspapers, and you mustn't sell any clothes, or books, or whatever else we don't want you to sell" would be a very major intrusion in to people's rights to earn a living running a shop.

Giles..

You can't at the moment: my point is that you should be able to. I'm not interested in arguments about any supposed right to sell what and when you like: it's precisely that laissez-faire attitude that has caused so much damage in the first place.
 
Even the charity shops are closing down in one arcade in Preston...
St Johns or Guildhall? Or both? What with those St Georges and Fishergate hardly on fire, it is ludicrous that they were planning to build yet another where the bus station stands?
 
I'd never seen so many Poundlands / 99p stores before moving to Brum, there are at least 4 in the city centre alone.
Wembley has shitloads - we have a Wetherspoons, a Primark, loads of Poundland types, Wilkinsons, about 15 betting shops, and few charity shops, some cheapie asian run mobile phone kit shops, a Tesco Express and not a right lot else. Classy round here.
 
guildhall. it's practically empty since they put the new crossings in at the bus station - no-one needs to go through anymore.

st johns is actually pretty full at the moment (probably as a result of the same crossings) - don't think they've currently got an empty unit.
 
guildhall. it's practically empty since they put the new crossings in at the bus station - no-one needs to go through anymore.

st johns is actually pretty full at the moment (probably as a result of the same crossings) - don't think they've currently got an empty unit.
Bet the shop owners in the Guildhall were happy about that :facepalm: Wasn't exactly doing great before.
 
St Johns or Guildhall? Or both? What with those St Georges and Fishergate hardly on fire, it is ludicrous that they were planning to build yet another where the bus station stands?

Large in-town shopping centre developments are a problem as well, although not quite as much as out-of-town ones. I rather like the St Stephens centre in Hull - it's a nice piece of architecture and it's wrought a big improvement to the Ferensway side of the city centre, but it's done a lot of damage to some of the other shopping streets and the Prince's Quay centre. It should have been smaller, and it most certainly should not have included a gigantic Tesco.
 
I have a Tesco express built into my block of flats - I do shop there a lot as it's so handy, but I do hate them at the same time :mad:
 
I have a Tesco express built into my block of flats - I do shop there a lot as it's so handy, but I do hate them at the same time :mad:

I'd like to think some mechanism could be devised to separate 'metro' stores from big superstores and force companies to specialise in one or the other. That would go some way towards keeping the big chains and their predatory tactics off the high street, and give independents a fighting chance.
 
I have a Tesco express built into my block of flats - I do shop there a lot as it's so handy, but I do hate them at the same time :mad:
I have one built in my kitchen, I tend to go there as its easier than the Asda In my front room
 
Bet the shop owners in the Guildhall were happy about that :facepalm: Wasn't exactly doing great before.
the new crossings were forced on them by health and safety: old ladies kept on getting squashed trying to cross the bus aprons.

The subways were hardly an inviting route into town anyway...
 
In reading the manager of the Butts shopping centre has complained that the council are planning to move from their asbestos riddled offices, as this will cut numbers to his mall; which has a 99p store, a poundland, a poundworld, a tk maxx, and a Wilkinsons. And 40% empty units.
 
Completely fucking ridiculous - although tbh it was obvious from the off that the whole Mary Portas thing was a silly publicity stunt which would do precisely nothing to address the underlying problems of town centres and had far too little money behind it to make much positive difference in any case.

I liked it when they were going to make Kirsty Allsop Housing spokesman and put her in the House of Lords as a reward for her role in the great property bubble, what happened to that ? Spectacular govt is fun
 
The other thing not addressed is internet shopping, sites such as Amazon have taken a lot of business from bookshops particularly.
 
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