Screen them, and check on them, and then what? What are the numbers here? A few thousand "oops, soz about that, can I come home now and all back to normal"? Or are you advocating building some sort of UK Guantanamo for the ones that fail to completely convince the security services of their change of heart/accidentally got mixed up with a bad bunch?
Yes, definitely easier & more attractive to just let em be martyrs. Similar though less emotive issues and procedures do exist born out of grappling with screening ex-convict ex-gang members for the normal 'mentoring' stuff though.
Unless I'm missing the point, this implies there's the option to reject them - British nationals - entirely and leave them nationless.
What are the numbers here? If there's only about 4 that have somehow found themselves fighting in the wrong side then I guess it's easier to come up with some kind of rehabilitation programme if that's what you're suggesting. But if there's about 4000, less so. And how are you going to get them back, airlift them? This is all daft.
How many people are you worrying about being left nationless?
Well, quite.
Let's assume all of them, whatever the numbers going off to Syria are, so at least 700 apparently. Half came back already by the way. But the question remains - you suggest that neither rehab nor internment is feasible at those volumes, but the only apparent alternative - apart from a lot of little accidents - is an unworkable breach of international law.
You're obv more clued up on international law than me, what's the breach of which particular law is it you think I'm suggesting?
If this is what you're suggesting, to render people stateless. We gave up on that idea already.
Yep, that's ok now I think?
You were the one that suggested the stateless aspect, not me. You wanted that to be what I was suggesting and said that I implied it. But I'm far less attached to the idea of the state being the be all and end all of existence in any event, so if that's what happens to people that change their minds about fighting for the daesh I'm only bothered by the practicalities of what flows from their decision for everyone else, not particularly them as individuals.
Have you got something more on this? The Graun story came later and I'm struggling a little to work out quite what actually got implemented or whether it proved workable.
st helena and isle of man both previously used. however, i'm more of a british antarctick territory man.
I don't feel any particular need to help you out. You launch into a politely framed attack on your perception of an implication that you've constructed - and want me to articulate why I don't think you should have implied it. If they're left stateless, so be it. If you can come up with a practical alternative (including the actual repatriation aspects) that doesn't involve constructing a UK Guantanamo or just taking them at face value, fine.
'not articulating much': have you swallowed a dictionary?
I'm confused too.
Doesn't Norway use a prison island model? I seem to remember that they've had some success with that.
Norway seems way ahead .. Norway 'to Make Citizens Fighting for Isis Stateless'
Oh, right. I was thinking of this: The Norwegian prison where inmates are treated like people
Are we objecting to the use of words now too? Do you want to sign off on my vocab before it appears?
What you could have done is simply to ask me what I thought should be done with them. But no, you decide to frame the simple question within a constructed implication, which was an invitation (whether intended or not) for me to respond to the constructed implication rather than the unvoiced question. And now it's my fault and you're doing poor misunderstood (again) mauvais. Fuck's sake.
Yes, that's precisely my shtick, rather than being very uncomfortable with generating conflict in the wake of a tragedy that's a little too close to home. I suggest you just put me on ignore.
And now with the emotional manipulation rather than straight forwardly saying, sorry I should have just asked. Perhaps you should be ignoring people rather than suggesting other people do the ignoring.
