Many dead in coordinated Paris shootings and explosions

[weltweit]

Think of all those tax offices and other government departments that are being slimmed down - there must be thousands of seats in dingy low-rent 1980s office complexes all up and down the land.

Yes, actually I drove round loads of empty factories last weekend, it was a silly question, unless they are all going into GCHQ but then perhaps they have available space. Wonder if I could become a spook

 

[laptop]

They've got sleeper cells -i.e people who will do stuff in targeted places when asked.

Sure they have. My point is that those would want to come in anonymously. Or be recruited locally, having been "nice boys" as far as their neighbours were concerned. Not be brought in and tracked by spooks, which is what would happen in free spirit's scenario.

 

[8ball]

Not sure that works. The condition of coming back is that you sing like a canary and are available regularly to the security services for the rest of your life.

I seem to recall that the Soviet Union tried sending sleepers as defectors and it all went wrong for them. As far as we know, that is...

That kind of monitoring sounds expensive, you'd want to be very sure that any benefit of letting them back in from dissuading potential recruits is going to be worth it.

 

[Sasaferrato]

If the war had to be fought the collation should have stayed for 10 or more years till the place was fixed government and the army and police worked and would continue to work with out outside assistance. It was rushed and they tried to do it on the cheap.

Oh fuck I forgot about that. Eco hippies are going to be severely battered. There's a veritable fuckload of small and large direct actions planned. I hope the twats with guns think twice before firing.

I hope the twats, aiming to create chaos on the streets, think twice and stay at home.

 

[butchersapron]

Sure they have. My point is that those would want to come in anonymously. Or be recruited locally, having been "nice boys" as far as their neighbours were concerned. Not be brought in and tracked by spooks, which is what would happen in free spirit's scenario.

Yes, sleeper vs sleeper. One just meaning locals or near local ready to go, one meaning KGB/CIA/MI5 old war style sleepers. Former no cultural training needed. That stuff not happening here.

 

[butchersapron]

I hope the twats, aiming to create chaos on the streets, think twice and stay at home.

...and here you give ding ding an easy option to say yes i hope the police stay at home too. It's what he does.

 

[8ball]

I hope the twats, aiming to create chaos on the streets, think twice and stay at home.

Like fuck, they'll be on unlimited overtime now.

 

[DrRingDing]

I hope the twats, aiming to create chaos on the streets, think twice and stay at home.

They won't and nor should they.

 

[butchersapron]

I hope the twats, aiming to create chaos on the streets, think twice and stay at home.

And if you think the appropriate reaction to terrorism is to refuse your civil rights, then you're one of the terrorists best friends.

Why do you love terrorism so much?

 

[8ball]

...and here you give ding ding an easy option to say yes i hope the police stay at home too. It's what he does.

First in - real urbans!

 

[J Ed]

And if you think the appropriate reaction to terrorism is to refuse your civil rights, then you're one of the terrorists best friends.

Why do you love terrorism so much?

Fuck knows, somehow it probably fits into him calling the SNP Nazis

 

[DrRingDing]

First in - real urbans!

I actually recommend a trip over for this. The Climate Games is quite a good laugh.

 

[free spirit]

If I was Daesh I'd be sending some sleepers back if that was the policy.

If I was Daesh I'd want the UK government to be locking up any UK deserters they failed to capture and shoot themselves.

 

[butchersapron]

What an odd thing to say.

 

[8ball]

If I was Daesh I'd want the UK government to be locking up any UK deserters they failed to capture and shoot themselves.

Ok, first person to parse this wins a pencil.

 

[MAD-T-REX]

Why a French flag on your Facebook profile doesn't make you a hero

"If you’ve been on Facebook since last Friday’s attacks in Paris, you could be forgiven for thinking you’d stumbled into the Front National’s image bank – the social media site is currently hosting a flood of French flags, applied via a function enabled by Facebook in the immediate aftermath of the attacks which is, frankly, deeply problematic."

Describing something as 'problematic' and following that up with a loosely connected stream of complaints and idiotic observations seems to be the ticket to having work published these days.

 

[bluescreen]

Ok, first person to parse this wins a pencil.

I was thinking the same thing. There's an anacoluthon, I reckon.

Um, if I was Daesh I'd want the UK government to be locking up any UK deserters they (I mean, I, Daesh) had failed to capture. And I'd want the UK government to shoot themselves.

 

[J Ed]

Describing something as 'problematic' and following that up with a loosely connected stream of complaints and idiotic observations seems to be the ticket to having work published these days.

Go to private school
Go to uni, preferably Oxbridge
Write whatever the fuck you want as long as it doesn't differ from an unconditional defence of the status quo

you're a journalist congratulations

 

[free spirit]

it's not that hard to comprehend is it?

Facing being locked up on your return home adds to the deterrent effect Daesh are creating by rounding up and shooting foreign fighters who're deserting / not pulling their weight, and helps keep them fighting for Daesh rather than getting the fuck out of there and coming home when the reality of the situation hits them.

 

[butchersapron]

Ok, first person to parse this wins a pencil.

I was in quite a good mood earlier. But now i'm confounded. Night's kip ruined.

 

[8ball]

it's not that hard to comprehend is it?

It really is!

Can you take us through the original sentence piece by piece?

 

[butchersapron]

it's not that hard to comprehend is it?

Facing being locked up on your return home adds to the deterrent effect Daesh are creating by rounding up and shooting foreign fighters who're deserting / not pulling their weight, and helps keep them fighting for Daesh rather than getting the fuck out of there and coming home when the reality of the situation hits them.

So the priority the left should have is getting these people safely home?

Ok, when these poor lost beautiful boys get here - then what? You're against them being locked up. What next?

 

[tonysingh]

So the priority the left should have is getting these people safely home?

Ok, when these poor lost beautiful boys get here - then what? You're against them being locked up. What next?

Rehabilitation?

 

[butchersapron]

Rehabilitation?

What does that mean?

 

[Sasaferrato]

They won't and nor should they.

Frankly, anyone stupid enough to fuck about on the streets of Paris at the moment, is beyond stupid.

 

[Spymaster]

If I was Daesh I'd want the UK government to be locking up any UK deserters they failed to capture and shoot themselves.

Eh

 

[free spirit]

It really is!

Can you take us through the original sentence piece by piece?

Take a look at the link posted earlier showing that daesh are having a problem with foreign fighters getting pissed off and abandoning their posts / deserting, to the extent that they've created an internal security force and executed a hundred of them.

So any UK born fighters fighting with Daesh who want to come home face the first barrier of being shot by daesh, followed by a second barrier of the likelihood of being locked up for a long time if they openly come back to the UK.

The result being that they're more likely to stay and fight for Daesh.

So a policy of locking them all up on return would be aiding Daesh's efforts to keep their UK volunteer fighters fighting rather than abandoning their posts and legging it back to the UK. It gives them no way out.

The best way of undermining them is to stem the flow of foreign volunteers, and get as many of them that are already there to leave when they're sick of it.

 

[butchersapron]

Take a look at the link posted earlier showing that daesh are having a problem with Foreign fighters getting pissed off and abandoning their posts / deserting, to the extent that they've created an internal security force and executed a hundred of them.

So any UK born fighters fighting with Daesh who want to come home face the first barrier of being shot by daesh, followed by a second barrier of the likelihood of being locked up for a long time if they openly come back to the UK.

The result being that they're more likely to stay and fight for Daesh.

So a policy of locking them all up on return would be aiding Daesh's efforts to keep their UK volunteer fighters fighting rather than abandoning their posts and legging it back to the UK. It gives them no way out.

The best way of undermining them is to stem the flow of foreign volunteers, and get as many of them that are already there to leave when they're sick of it.

If they're staying and getting killed (one way or another) - so what? Why would i want to undermine that by letting beheading rapists into the same city as me? No thanks.

 

[butchersapron]

Come out now love you've had enough.

Fuck off.

 

[free spirit]

If they're staying and getting killed (one way or another) - so what? Why would i want to undermine that by letting beheading rapists into the same city as me? No thanks.

is it your contention then that all of those fighting under the ISIS umbrella are beheading rapists?