Many dead in coordinated Paris shootings and explosions

[nino_savatte]

Rentoul's a prick at the best of times but he's made an apology to admit it, no need for pitchforks at dawn. And there are worse cuntface pundits

 

[Pickman's model]

There's a photo of them putting "Je Suis Charlie" on the listings sign after the Hebdo attack too.

oh no. they should have seen it coming. is that what you mean, it was their fault?

 

[frogwoman]

Well we reap what we sow

 

[bimble]

oh no. they should have seen it coming. is that what you mean, it was their fault?

Apparently.

Allegedly the Bataclan venue was not chosen at random. There have been protests there previously when it staged a charity gala for the israeli border police and the band playing there last night had recently returned from a tour of israel.

 

[laptop]

oh no. they should have seen it coming. is that what you mean, it was their fault?

I read that as a contribution to a discussion of whether their targeting was sharply-focused.

 

[LDC]

Know it's not a priority, but just wanted to point out that Paris is supposed to be holding the COP talks at the end of the month (climate change discussions) and the counter-mobilization. Wonder if this will change either or both of those. The 7/7 London bombing happened at the same time as the G8 Gleneagles summit and caused some 'issues'...

 

[editor]

One of the few, tiny, tiny glimmers of good that come out of a hideous tragedy like this is that there's usually no shortage of utter cunts with their odious opinions outing themselves and showing their true colours on the media or via Twitter/Facebook etc.

 

[Pickman's model]

Last night for starters, how many of the other attacks were chosen specifically according to you.

Come on, out with it.

i have not been involved in the selection of location of any terrorist attacks.

 

[Athos]

Hopefully there wont be any more of this shit.

Sadly, that's obviously not the case. It's near to inevitable that there'll be a similar attack in the UK, at some point. There's enough people willing to try, and, whilst most plots are foiled, they only need to get lucky once.

 

[Pickman's model]

I read that as a contribution to a discussion of whether their targeting was sharply-focused.

i didn't.

 

[Favelado]

oh no. they should have seen it coming. is that what you mean, it was their fault?

Of course not. Grow up. It's merely background information. It might have contributed to their targeting or not. People were mentioning it so I thought it was a reasonable thing to post.

 

[weltweit]

I wonder how long it will take for the French authorities to identify the individual perpetrators, it will only be then we will know the full implications of this.

 

[Pickman's model]

Of course not. Grow up. It's merely background information. It might have contributed to their targeting or not. People were mentioning it so I thought it was a reasonable thing to post.

to post it without question or caveat. yeh sure i believe you.

 

[LDC]

****JUST A QUICK WARNING****

I know it should be obvious, but I think it's worth making it clear... some of the videos circulating of the events last night, including the one linked to on here, are pretty horrible and potentially traumatic to watch, so please think about why and if it's really needed before you watch them.

 

[bimble]

I wonder how long it will take for the French authorities to identify the individual perpetrators, it will only be then we will know the full implications of this.

Um. They have blown themselves to pieces. Not sure the individual's names are going to help much with the 'full implications' anyway.

 

[Spymaster]

... the full implications of this.

Insofar as what?

 

[Favelado]

to post it without question or caveat. yeh sure i believe you.

You don't need to be this combative all the time. What's wrong with you? Why would I lie?

 

[weltweit]

My feeling is that it would be harder to get the required weapons to organise such an attack in the UK than it was in France, is there any truth in this?

 

[J Ed]

My feeling is that it would be harder to get the required weapons to organise such an attack in the UK than it was in France, is there any truth in this?

Easier to get weapons, especially assault rifles, across land borders than via plane or sea.

 

[Pickman's model]

You don't need to be this combative all the time. What's wrong with you? Why would I lie?

i am not being combative. nothing is wrong with me. i never knew my good opinion was so important to you.

 

[editor]

Can we stop the bickering please?

 

[Favelado]

Yeah, I'm happy to stop. I don't want to bicker.

 

[LDC]

Um. They have blown themselves to pieces. Not sure the individual's names are going to help much with the 'full implications' anyway.

They will. Origin of the attackers, known associates, travel history, financial details, all sorts of info will be gleaned when the identities are known.

 

[Spymaster]

My feeling is that it would be harder to get the required weapons to organise such an attack in the UK than it was in France, is there any truth in this?

Probably, but the kind of people who can organise to get explosives and assault weapons into France are likely to be able to get them into the UK too at some point.

 

[weltweit]

Insofar as what?

Well there have been early questions as to whether the terrorists gained entry into Europe disguised as refugees, and one questioned that they could have come from Germany disguised as football supporters, either way could have implications for Schengen's open borders. In many ways it would be least damaging to the EU if they were actually French born and bred, although this would leave plenty of questions for France itself.

Then there are implications for France (and her allies) and IS, does this cause an intensification of actions against IS? and is IS actually defeatable as it has spread so widely?

 

[LDC]

My feeling is that it would be harder to get the required weapons to organise such an attack in the UK than it was in France, is there any truth in this?

Yes. France and much of mainland Europe has slacker firearm laws than the UK. And then there's the issues of cross-border travel being easier between mainland European countries and the more direct route to areas of the world where weapons like those used are more accessible.

 

[Athos]

My feeling is that it would be harder to get the required weapons to organise such an attack in the UK than it was in France, is there any truth in this?

Of course, it's a bit harder to get stuff into an island, but far from imposssible. If they're in France, what's to stop them being hidden in the back of a van/lorry coming on the ferry (not all of which are thoroughly searched)? In any event, there's loads of illegal weapons knocking about in the UK, and it wouldn't be that hard to source the necessary components for a bomb/gas attack. And a fair few 'homegrown jihadis.' It's a matter of when and where, not if, I'm afraid.

 

[bimble]

They will. Origin of the attackers, known associates, travel history, financial details, all sorts of info will be gleaned when the identities are known.

That's true. We will soon know more about who was directly responsible for what happened. As someone said a while back though that is a separate question from why it happened, which is more what I'd call 'the full implications'.

 

[weltweit]

Easier to get weapons, especially assault rifles, across land borders than via plane or sea.

That is my feeling. How many AK47s are available to terrorists in the UK?

 

[bimble]

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