Crazy isn't it...they are totally fucking football.I've got headache after watching that
Crazy isn't it...they are totally fucking football.
Barney Ronay said:As a season-ending Uefa showpiece it is hard to imagine a better reminder that this has always been about money versus money : new, old, or even newer. Or indeed that the greatest failure of FFP in the last few years isn’t City’s case, but the absurdity of PSG spending £1bn on transfers, successfully skewing their own domestic league in perpetuity, and still escaping any real restraint.
In the wake of such cases there is a view the greatest legacy of FFP will be to undermine Uefa’s own notions of centralised control, ushering ever closer some kind of private equity breakaway league. This is still some way off. But Uefa’s authority, not to mention its basic sense of competence, is seriously undermined. And let’s face it, fair play was never really a part of this argument in the first place.
why is this corrupt , in itself?Totally corrupt. Shameful.
Manchester City European ban overturned - so is FFP dead?
BBC Sport looks at what Manchester City's overturned ban on appeal means for football's Financial Fair Play regulations.www.bbc.co.uk
Those who want to see corruption will find it where they want to see it. So when the likes of City mount a challenge to the supposed elite, that's where you'll choose to see corruption if you support one of the 'elite' clubs (even while pretending that you primarily support another club.) Meanwhile, the real corruption can go ignored. If in any doubt see Martin Samuel's interview of a few years back with the now disgraced UEFA then president, who admitted that he was forced by the elite clubs' organisation the ECA (formerly the G14), into changing FFP from a perfectly reasonable model for fighting debt into one designed to restrict investment so that those clubs with a monopoly on domestic and European prize money can never be effectively challenged. The elite then becomes self-perpetuating.why is this corrupt , in itself?
Man City ARE the elite, not some plucky outsiders fighting the system and challenging The Man.Those who want to see corruption will find it where they want to see it. So when the likes of City mount a challenge to the supposed elite, that's where you'll choose to see corruption if you support one of the 'elite' clubs (even while pretending that you primarily support another club.) Meanwhile, the real corruption can go ignored.
Manchester City have effectively been named the most valuable football club in the world, after their holding company City Football Group (CFG) was valued at over £3BILLION.
CFG announced on Wednesday morning – the day after City’s dull Champions League draw with Shakhtar Donetsk – that they had received a £389million ($500m) investment from American private equity firm Silver Lake.
The deal gives Silver Lake a stake of around 10 per cent of CFG and values the Abu Dhabi-owned group at £3.73billion ($4.8bn).
When did I say they were plucky outsiders? That's the whole issue: the existing elite want to bar entry to newcomers, especially if they're Middle Eastern, and make sure their cosy club is self-perpetuating, shutting out potential challengers forever. It's all about how shares in a lucrative market are distributed. The ECA/G14 thought they had it all carved up between themselves and now their noses have been put out of joint they don't like it.Man City ARE the elite, not some plucky outsiders fighting the system and challenging The Man.
Man City now the world’s most valuable football club after $500m investment
Manchester City have effectively been named the most valuable football club in the world, after their holding company City Football Group (CFG) was valued at over £3BILLION. CFG announced on Wednes…talksport.com
In the absence of rules like the Bundesliga that state mandatory majority fan ownership of clubs, I say bring it the fuck on. The more rich owners who come in at the top of English football, the more likely we are to see elite gatekeeping clubs of old tumbling down the tables. It's been brilliant (hilarious) seeing Spurs and Arsenal duking it out for the Europa league this season.When did I say they were plucky outsiders? That's the whole issue: the existing elite want to bar entry to newcomers, especially if they're Middle Eastern, and make sure their cosy club is self-perpetuating, shutting out potential challengers forever. It's all about how shares in a lucrative market are distributed. The ECA/G14 thought they had it all carved up between themselves and now their noses have been put out of joint they don't like it.
Just so I get your point: are you asserting that Man City aren't the elite?When did I say they were plucky outsiders? That's the whole issue: the existing elite want to bar entry to newcomers, especially if they're Middle Eastern, and make sure their cosy club is self-perpetuating, shutting out potential challengers forever. It's all about how shares in a lucrative market are distributed. The ECA/G14 thought they had it all carved up between themselves and now their noses have been put out of joint they don't like it.
Just so I get your point: are you asserting that Man City aren't the elite?
Just so I get your point: are you asserting that Man City aren't the elite?
This is wrong though. City won their last appeal on specifically those grounds and ffp was adapted so that a big investment like theirs (or Blackburn’s or Chelsea’s) would still be possible.At least Gary Neville sees it clearly.
'I said a few months ago, FFP would have prevented Jack Walker doing what he did 30 years ago at Blackburn,' he added.
'It's fundamentally wrong that there are restrictions placed on owners to put money into football clubs. Whether it's Chelsea, Man City or Blackburn, all those stories we've had in the Premier League over the last 20 years or so, the addition to challenging Manchester United, Arsenal and other clubs wouldn't have happened if FFP had been implemented in its truest form"
'I don't believe it's right. There has always been rich owners investing into football clubs and that won't change today. FFP needs changing to a different model.'
Another one who doesn't know what he's talking about. Sigh.This is wrong though. City won their last appeal on specifically those grounds and ffp was adapted so that a big investment like theirs (or Blackburn’s or Chelsea’s) would still be possible.
This year it has been decided that it is okay to fiddle the figures, submit fraudulent accounts and not cooperate for as long as is necessary in order to time out the other charges! Trebles all round.
Mail said:WERE THE PREMIER LEAGUE NOT ALSO INVESTIGATING CITY?
Yes, over alleged financial and youth recruitment issues. They have similar FFP rules and it will be interesting to see their next move.
The Premier League does not have a statute of limitations and will be loath to dismiss the work already undertaken, which is said to be substantial. Regardless, CAS's finding will do City no harm.
So they did none of the things cited in that post and are as pure as the driven snow in all their business practices? I still don't know why you were banging on about elites earlier, either,Another one who doesn't know what he's talking about. Sigh.
City have just been cleared of a host of charges, hastily cobbled together on the basis of stolen information taken out of context, at the behest of a cabal of clubs worried about their own shrinking share of a particular market, by a panel of independent judges at the highest court of arbitration for sporting matters in the world. That is all that matters.So they did none of the things cited in that post and are as pure as the driven snow in all their business practices? I still don't know why you were banging on about elites earlier, either,
Thanks for copying the MCFC press release, but it really is a crock of shit. City were only let off most of the charges because they were out of time. They were found guilty of obstruction - almost definitely because of the bull you repeat pretending that some emails were ‘stolen’ (lol) and out of context (double lol).City have just been cleared of a host of charges, hastily cobbled together on the basis of stolen information taken out of context, at the behest of a cabal of clubs worried about their own shrinking share of a particular market, by a panel of independent judges at the highest court of arbitration for sporting matters in the world. That is all that matters.
City are as pure as their rivals, I guess, and as everybody knows the world is run on purest of motives and principles and always has been.
The thing about football's self-declared elite is... (here the poster loses the will to fucking live in midst of typing.)
No press releases from anybody but CAS been posted on here as far as I can see. The rest of what you say is merely the famiiair prejudiced and ill-informed toss.Thanks for copying the MCFC press release, but it really is a crock of shit. City were only let off most of the charges because they were out of time. They were found guilty of obstruction - almost definitely because of the bull you repeat pretending that some emails were ‘stolen’ (lol) and out of context (double lol).
It’s another significant step on the way to a breakaway league and to cement the ‘fact’ that top level football is just for multi billionaires. Lie and cheat all you like, as long as you obfuscate long enough, you’ll get away with it. And it’s fine cos leveraged buyouts are shit too, so it’s only fair really.
A total non-entity on a message board somewhere 2665" said:Thanks for copying the MCFC press release, but it really is a crock of shit. City were only let off most of the charges because they were out of time. They were found guilty of obstruction - almost definitely because of the bull you repeat pretending that some emails were ‘stolen’ (lol) and out of context (double lol).
It’s another significant step on the way to a breakaway league and to cement the ‘fact’ that top level football is just for multi billionaires. Lie and cheat all you like, as long as you obfuscate long enough, you’ll get away with it. And it’s fine cos leveraged buyouts are shit too, so it’s only fair really.
'Pumping money in' has no meaning in this context. If you mean doing it against the highly dubious and self-serving FFP regulations then CAS do not agree. Their judgment matters. As in, I suspect, most areas of your life, yours, like mine, does not. End of story.I mean, everyone knows that city's owners have been pumping money in, right?
Good job it was in block capitals to make it easy for you to read. Only sorry you clearly couldn’t be arsed to read the rest of it.No press releases from anybody but CAS been posted on here as far as I can see. The rest of what you say is merely the famiiair prejudiced and ill-informed toss.
But just for clarification, we have 2 contrasting exhibits:
1. www.tas-cas.org FOOTBALL – UEFA COMPETITIONS MANCHESTER CITY FC DID NOT DISGUISE EQUITY FUNDING AS SPONSORSHIP CONTRIBUTIONS BUT DID FAIL TO COOPERATE WITH THE UEFA AUTHORITIES CAS DECISION: EXCLUSION FROM PARTICIPATION IN UEFA CLUB COMPETITIONS LIFTED; FINE MAINTAINED BUT REDUCED TO EUR 10 MILLION
2.
CAS said:The CAS award emphasized that most of the alleged breaches reported by the Adjudicatory Chamber of the CFCB were either not established or time-barred.