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Yes, because like most people, including yourself if you were honest, when it comes to the club you've always supported you continue to support it no matter what your personal and political beliefs.
Don't assume everyone thinks the same way as you do. And if you have real, solid political beliefs, that can often provide a very good reason to stop supporting a team whose sole remaining connection with the city and fans it purports to represent boils down to the name and the physical location of their stadium.
 
And that's the sound of someone whose argument has completely run out of steam.
I'm a bit tired. Have you got any more bedtime stories about this editor of a website who was sinking under the weight of his own altruism?
 
Don't assume everyone thinks the same way as you do. And if you have real, solid political beliefs, that can often provide a very good reason to stop supporting a team whose sole remaining connection with the city and fans it purports to represent boils down to the name and the physical location of their stadium.
Perhaps. But you do know that almost nobody actually does this, don't you?
 
That may be so, but as with any other country in the world, the deputy PM couldn't go on a crusade to reform it single-handedly even if he wanted to. As I said above, if he'd botched the job at City no fan of any other club, nor the media, would give two fucks who he was.

What they are mixed up in wherever, it isn't as bad as what Western countries are responsible for over the centuries.
When you say 'whatever they are mixed up in', you actually mean what is the owner of citeh directly responsible for. Things like this:
 
When you say 'whatever they are mixed up in', you actually mean what is the owner of citeh directly responsible for. Things like this:
He isn't directly responsible for it. For all we know he might have doubts about most things that happen in Abu Dhabi. Or he might not. It isn't, as I said, in his personal power to change the whole set-up any more than it's within the powers of an individual minister in any other government.

And as if other clubs are not linked to dubious regimes. As a United fan, you will be aware of their long-term links to the Saudis? And their Aeroflot sponsorship? And if the various messageboards are anything to go by, half the United fanbase would have swapped full Saudi ownership, when it was mooted, for the Glazers. In fact, we can guarantee that if it ever happened, most United fans would be fully behind it. It isn't because they're evil; it's because they, like any other set of fans, put their football clubs before whatever they might personally believe, rightly or wrongly.

And, as I say above, I doubt if you'd care a jot about City's owner if he'd promised lots of things and only kept them in mid-table. Such is the way of the world.
 
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You can just say "the people who own the club are cunts", rather than tying yourself up in these knots you know. Supporting your club doesn't mean you have to justify absolutely everything about them and the way they are run.

We're not 13.
 
Not really a football fan and not been following this closely, but it looks to me like Man City just bought their way out of a punishment for spending too much money... Don"t think it's necessarily the owners that are the problem.
 
You can just say "the people who own the club are cunts", rather than tying yourself up in these knots you know. Supporting your club doesn't mean you have to justify absolutely everything about them and the way they are run.

We're not 13.


It seems to me that the ones tying themselves up in knots on this thread are those who are still trying to deny that a club was found not guilty of all accusations in the highest court for arbitration in world sport, with their half-digested notions, spoon-fed to them by the media and born out of panic if they are fans of one of the existing establishment clubs, and jealousy if they support a club condemned by the former, with their wish for a permanent monopoly on the prize money, to be a permanent also-ran.

'The people who run the club are cunts' is, in its comfort-blanket simple-mindedness very much suggestive of a typical 13 year-old's way of looking at things. And as I said, nobody would give a flying toss about who owned City if the club had not been so successful in this period, and if the same owners had taken over their own clubs many of them would be saying pretty much the same as me on one or another obscure messageboard like this one.
 
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Not really a football fan and not been following this closely, but it looks to me like Man City just bought their way out of a punishment for spending too much money... Don"t think it's necessarily the owners that are the problem.
They didn't buy their way out of anything; they put together an expensive legal team to fight against spurious accusations, trumped up from a targeted and co-ordinated attack on the club and pressure on UEFA to punish the club again for matters already settled on the part of a cabal of establishment clubs. It is simply what typically happens in the world when t comes to this sort of thing.
 
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Plenty aren't thankfully.
Irrelevant when you consider that if approached by the same people who own City, or anybody else who promised to invest massively, they would undoubtedly listen, and, in doing so, would be urged on by a majority of their club's supporters. Why? Because, as I said, when it comes down to it they want success, and put it above all other considerations even when they deny to themselves that they are doing so. That's football. See what's going on currently at Newcastle for example. And as i said above, see the long-term links of certain other clubs with the likes of the Saudis and elements of the Russian state.

I am, by the way, a little surprised (although maybe I shouldn't be) to see people on here playing the good capitalist versus bad capitalist game. I thought it was generally understood here that all capitalism has blood on its hands in one way or another.
 
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Because it's a vile, corrupt industry riddled with dodgy money and sleazy owners and backers. Are you OK with all that?
So the decision is corrupt because the whole football business is corrupt etc? Fine , if you had said that at the beginning I wouldn't have needed clarification, originally I thought you were just singling out Man City's appeal success.
 
Irrelevant when you consider that if approached by the same people who own City, or anybody else who promised to invest massively, they would undoubtedly listen, and, in doing so, would be urged on by a majority of their club's supporters.
Not sure why you think you have the authority to project your own set of moral-free "success at any cost" ethics on to every other supporter.

Thankfully, there's plenty who don't want to part of money-pumped 'modern football' and all that it entails, and you'll see them on the terraces of non league clubs every week. Do you even go and see Man City play regularly or are you part of the 'faraway fan by subscription TV' culture which is another thing that has fucked up the game. It certainly did at my old club.
 
Refusing to co-operate at various stages of the 'investigation.' This is because it was seen by City as trumped-up after a targeted attack on the club.
If it was all 'trumped up' then why not readily co-operate and show just how jolly unfair the charge was?

And why do you think they were fined €10 million if they are totally innocent?
 
If it was all 'trumped up' then why not readily co-operate and show just how jolly unfair the charge was?

And why do you think they were fined €10 million if they are totally innocent?
Read the thread , or better still read some of the articles linked to, and stop trying to waste my time.
 
Read the thread , or better still read some of the articles linked to, and stop trying to waste my time.
So - to get this straight - if it had been Man Utd facing the same charges, your argument wouldn't have changed one bit and you'd be defending them with equal rigour, insisting that they charges were all trumped up and that UEFA and FIFA are all corrupt?
 
Not sure why you think you have the authority to project your own set of moral-free "success at any cost" ethics on to every other supporter.

Thankfully, there's plenty who don't want to part of money-pumped 'modern football' and all that it entails, and you'll see them on the terraces of non league clubs every week. Do you even go and see Man City play regularly or are you part of the 'faraway fan by subscription TV' culture which is another thing that has fucked up the game. It certainly did at my old club.
If people want to go and watch non-league football, even if out of some kind of spurious sense of self-righteousness, nobody is stopping them, but it is absurd to imagine that this is what the majority of fans of most League clubs, high and low, will ever do.

I do admit that not living in Manchester anymore, I go only sporadically these days. I did live there for the first 34 years of my life, however, and did go regularly. But this has nothing to do with the discussion going on in this thread.
 
So - to get this straight - if it had been Man Utd facing the same charges, your argument wouldn't have changed one bit and you'd be defending them with equal rigour, insisting that they charges were all trumped up and that UEFA and FIFA are all corrupt?
Again, stop trying to second-guess me and read the thread.
 
If people want to go and watch non-league football, even if out of some kind of spurious sense of self-righteousness, nobody is stopping them, but it is absurd to imagine that this is what the fans of most League clubs, high and low, will ever do.

I do admit that not living in Manchester anymore, I go only sporadically these days. I did live there for the first 34 years of my life, however, and did go regularly. But this has nothing to do with the discussion going on in this thread.
Well it does, because modern football is all about lucrative TV rights and creaming cash from faraway fans.
 
Well it does, because modern football is all about lucrative TV rights and creaming cash from faraway fans.
Yet again, what has this got to do with the specifics of the City case? Simply spouting well-worn cliches and peddling ineffectual nostrums adds nothing to the debate.
 
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