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Manchester City banned from Champions League for two seasons

Wilf said:
'Sheikh Mansour, selflessly and at some personal risk, devoting his life to rooting out corruption, murder and slave labour, tirelessly bringing to light all the horrors perpetrated by his own family and his own government'. You really are a fucking idiot.
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What the fucking hell are you on about?
 
belboid said:
uhh, you clearly haven't read the summary report cos that aint why they reduced the fine. But hey ho. We'll see more next week.

If you hadn't fiddled those figures, your progress would probably have been delayed a year or two, maybe even three or four. You might only have another two titles, and, oh, the same number of European trophies. What a fucking tragedy that would be. Well worth another club or two you don't support going under.
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belboid said:
this is just rubbish though. If it was so specifically designed, how come PSG are welcomed with open arms? How come Dortmund and Leipzig are doing okay? And how come the Italisn giants have done shit? It doesn't make sense as an argument.

There is absolutely loads to be critical of UEFA and FIFa about, but ffp isn't it.
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Yes FFP is-the reason being it was hijacked by the cartel ECA/G14 clubs, as the former UEFA president admitted to Martin Samuel, becoming less about debt and more about preventing the owners of clubs who might challenge them being able to spend the required amount to do it.

And CAS has just declared it's finding that the accusation of fiddling the figures was unfounded.

You should know why PSG were welcomed. Look up the role of Qatar and the PSG president in all of this. And Dortmund and Leipzig are not considered a threat by the ECA cartel-they have won little or nothing whereas Bayern, as I said, have just won 8 titles in a row.
 
Man City and Liverpool fans arguing about which club has bought the league more is pretty funny.
 
RD2003 said:
Yes FFP is-the reason being it was hijacked by the cartel ECA/G14 clubs, as the former UEFA president admitted to Martin Samuel, becoming less about debt and more about preventing the owners of clubs who might challenge them being able to spend the required amount to do it.

And CAS has just declared it's finding that the accusation of fiddling the figures was unfounded.

You should know why PSG were welcomed. Look up the role of Qatar and the PSG president in all of this. And Dortmund and Leipzig are not considered a threat by the ECA cartel-they have won little or nothing whereas Bayern, as I said, have just won 8 titles in a row.
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you're all over the shop, dude. Bayern's incessant title winning isn't down to UEFA. City's lack of success in Europe isn't down to UEFA. You are right (in major part, at least) as to why PSG are groovy, but it is also why UEFA have no problem with City. It is all about who will pay the cash for the rights. Now that City do have a worldwide fanbase, they are 100% welcome, because they'll help sell more rights. They are far more important than teams with long history of success in the EC/CL.

If FFP was all about protecting the established teams, why is it the league worst affected by it appears to be the Italian one, with its three G14 members?
 
belboid said:
you're all over the shop, dude. Bayern's incessant title winning isn't down to UEFA. City's lack of success in Europe isn't down to UEFA. You are right (in major part, at least) as to why PSG are groovy, but it is also why UEFA have no problem with City. It is all about who will pay the cash for the rights. Now that City do have a worldwide fanbase, they are 100% welcome, because they'll help sell more rights. They are far more important than teams with long history of success in the EC/CL.
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Prizes for progressing in the CL are weighted towards teams who have won more stuff in the past btw.
 
belboid said:
you're all over the shop, dude. Bayern's incessant title winning isn't down to UEFA. City's lack of success in Europe isn't down to UEFA. You are right (in major part, at least) as to why PSG are groovy, but it is also why UEFA have no problem with City. It is all about who will pay the cash for the rights. Now that City do have a worldwide fanbase, they are 100% welcome, because they'll help sell more rights. They are far more important than teams with long history of success in the EC/CL.

If FFP was all about protecting the established teams, why is it the league worst affected by it appears to be the Italian one, with its three G14 members?
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You display a touching naivety in all this, and obviously haven't followed what's been happening too closely (or maybe you're simply being disingenuous). Do yourself a favour and do some research. For one thing UEFA is dictated to, as the Samuel article I keep referring to shows, by the old G14, now the ECA. It is why FFP was transformed from a reasonable set of regulations for controlling debt to one which is aimed at restricting investment. Why? Because the ECA/G14 do not want new kids on the block presenting them with any kind of challenge. And why is that? Because they can then keep a monopoly on the prize money and operate in a de-facto closed shop. It is they who are behind moves towards a European Super League with no relegation, not the likes of City (although I do not deny that City may also want to join-this is, at present unknown, but is not a City initiative.) Bayern, as part of the exclusive group of clubs are able, because of this, to pick off the best players from the likes of Dortmund, and win 8 titles in a row when previously nobody had done it more than 3 times due to this corrupt new setup, which followed the transformation of the European Cup into the CL. It is akin to United's 13 titles in the PL when previously they had won seven in their entire history.

And if UEFA have no problem with City, why did they move the goalposts at the last minute the last time City were penalised (and remember it was for merely doing what Chelsea and others quite legitimately did before them) in 2014? Why did they re-open the settlement that was reached at the time, at the behest of the ECA clubs, on the basis of hacked (stolen) emails, taken out of context, by a man (acting for whom?) who now faces jail time? Contrary to what you say, City are far from welcome in the ECA's exclusive club.
MARTIN SAMUEL: If City had lost, they would have been CRUSHED (again, sorry it's the Mail, but it just so happens that one of their journalists is one of the few who tells it like it is.)

On the other hand, UEFA has far less of a problem with Qatari-owned PSG due to the hold Qatar has established over world football (the reason for a host of corruption cases), and having a man at the UEFA top table while the likes of City are denied one.

Also: The game as framed by UEFA and Europe's privileged elite is BENT
 
RD2003 said:
You display a touching naivety in all this, and obviously haven't followed what's been happening too closely (or maybe you're simply being disingenuous). Do yourself a favour and do some research. For one thing UEFA is dictated to, as the Samuel article I keep referring to shows, by the old G14, now the ECA. It is why FFP was transformed from a reasonable set of regulations for controlling debt to one which is aimed at restricting investment. Why? Because the ECA/G14 do not want new kids on the block presenting them with any kind of challenge. And why is that? Because they can then keep a monopoly on the prize money and operate in a de-facto closed shop. It is they who are behind moves towards a European Super League with no relegation, not the likes of City (although I do not deny that City may also want to join-this is, at present unknown, but is not a City initiative.) Bayern, as part of the exclusive group of clubs are able, because of this, to pick off the best players from the likes of Dortmund, and win 8 titles in a row when previously nobody had done it more than 3 times due to this corrupt new setup, which followed the transformation of the European Cup into the CL. It is akin to United's 13 titles in the PL when previously they had won seven in their entire history.

And if UEFA have no problem with City, why did they move the goalposts at the last minute the last time City were penalised (and remember it was for merely doing what Chelsea and others quite legitimately did before them) in 2014? Why did they re-open the settlement that was reached at the time, at the behest of the ECA clubs, on the basis of hacked (stolen) emails, taken out of context, by a man (acting for whom?) who now faces jail time? Contrary to what you say, City are far from welcome in the ECA's exclusive club.
MARTIN SAMUEL: If City had lost, they would have been CRUSHED (again, sorry it's the Mail, but it just so happens that one of their journalists is one of the few who tells it like it is.)

On the other hand, UEFA has far less of a problem with Qatari-owned PSG due to the hold Qatar has established over world football (the reason for a host of corruption cases), and having a man at the UEFA top table while the likes of City are denied one.

Also: The game as framed by UEFA and Europe's privileged elite is BENT
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Man City are a member of the ECA.
 
tommers said:
Man City are a member of the ECA.
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As with many other clubs. But, as yet,and as with the majority of members clubs, one with little or no influence despite efforts to gain it. Again, see MARTIN SAMUEL: Ban is payback by clubs who hate Manchester City

Key passage:

'No wonder David Gill and his allies graft so hard in those corridors of power, no wonder Ed Woodward devotes his time to the executive board of the European Club Association. Ferran Soriano, chief executive officer of Manchester City, thought he was in line for a place within the ECA.

Then there was a little pushback and suddenly he wasn’t, unlike board members at United, Arsenal and Liverpool — the traditional red alliance that controls English football, and holds meetings to which rivals are not invited.

United and Liverpool even got to vet Richard Scudamore’s successor at the Premier League, it is claimed. It seems some clubs really are more equal than others.'
 
"My super rich club's bought-for success is morally superior to your super rich club's bought-for success"

"NO way! MY super rich club's bought-for success is morally superior to your super rich club's bought-for success"

etc etc
 
RD2003 said:
What the fucking hell are you on about?
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I'm on about the shite you've been spouting. As I've said, I'm not that fussed between the 'makes billions through sponsorship and marketing' vs 'gets given billions' model. The both speak to football in a time of neoliberalism. But pretending you don't know anything about human rights in the UAE or, more accurately, don't feel it is something worth giving a shit about is something quite different.
 
Wilf said:
I'm on about the shite you've been spouting. As I've said, I'm not that fussed between the 'makes billions through sponsorship and marketing' vs 'gets given billions' model. The both speak to football in a time of neoliberalism. But pretending you don't know anything about human rights in the UAE or, more accurately, don't feel it is something worth giving a shit about is something quite different.
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What? If you go back to my replies to you, I haven't said anything about what you think you're accusing me of.

I did say, however, that almost nobody would be talking about human rights in the UAE if City's takeover had been botched and they were still mid-table in the PL, possibly you included. I can't remember anybody ever even talking about the UAE before Mansour took over City, apart from, maybe, the odd person who'd had a nice holiday over there, visiting their daughter who was teaching English or summat.
 
Wilf said:
I'm on about the shite you've been spouting. As I've said, I'm not that fussed between the 'makes billions through sponsorship and marketing' vs 'gets given billions' model. The both speak to football in a time of neoliberalism. But pretending you don't know anything about human rights in the UAE or, more accurately, don't feel it is something worth giving a shit about is something quite different.
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A reminder:

The authorities, particularly the State Security Agency (SSA), subjected detainees, including foreign nationals, to arbitrary arrest and detention, torture and enforced disappearance.

The authorities also restricted freedom of expression, imprisoning government critics and holding them in dire conditions.

In a positive development in women’s rights, almost 200 women stood in the Federal National Council (FNC) elections in October, more than double the number in the last elections; still, women continued to face discrimination in law and in practice.

On migrants’ rights, the authorities removed the job title criteria for sponsorship, which allowed more migrant workers to sponsor family members to live in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). However, migrant workers remained tied to employers under the kafala (sponsorship) system, which made them vulnerable to labour abuses and exploitation.

The UAE continued to deny nationality to thousands of individuals who were born within its borders. While no executions were reported, courts continued to issue death sentences.
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www.amnesty.org

Human rights in United Arab Emirates

Stay up to date on the state of human rights in United Arab Emirates with the latest research, campaigns and education material from Amnesty International.
www.amnesty.org www.amnesty.org
 
editor said:
"My super rich club's bought-for success is morally superior to your super rich club's bought-for success"

"NO way! MY super rich club's bought-for success is morally superior to your super rich club's bought-for success"

etc etc
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RD2003 said:
I did say, however, that almost nobody would be talking about human rights in the UAE if City's takeover had been botched and they were still mid-table in the PL, possibly you included.
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Apart from all the human rights organisations, activists and campaigners who have been banging on about the abuses in that country long before one of their billionaires started financing Man City's success, of course.

But now you know all about the club's owners, what's your response? Ignore it because City are doing OK?
 
editor said:
A reminder:


www.amnesty.org

Human rights in United Arab Emirates

Stay up to date on the state of human rights in United Arab Emirates with the latest research, campaigns and education material from Amnesty International.
www.amnesty.org www.amnesty.org
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Don't worry, everybody knows you lose sleep about 'human rights' everywhere. It's a terrible burden, I know, but somebody has to do it or else where would we all be?
 
editor said:
Apart from all the human rights organisations, activists and campaigners who have been banging on about the abuses in that country long before one of their billionaires started financing Man City's success, of course.

But now you know all about the club's owners, what's your response? Ignore it because City are doing OK?
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I know! I'll stop supporting City because bad capitalists have usurped the good capitalists who finance all the other other clubs, That will solve the matter
 
RD2003 said:
Haven't you got a hapless non-league club to hijack somewhere?
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Answer the question please. What has an insulting vegan meme got to do with this discussion about English clubs being financed by particularly repressive countries?
 
RD2003 said:
What? If you go back to my replies to you, I haven't said anything about what you think you're accusing me of.

I did say, however, that almost nobody would be talking about human rights in the UAE if City's takeover had been botched and they were still mid-table in the PL, possibly you included. I can't remember anybody ever even talking about the UAE before Mansour took over City, apart from, maybe, the odd person who'd had a nice holiday over there, visiting their daughter who was teaching English or summat.
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Well, if you've finished with the holiday snaps, here's some stuff about child slavery and sport (further down than the citeh/mansour stuff).
 
Wilf said:
This is just weak, embarrassing stuff.
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I always wonder what it would actually take for these apologists to finally relinquish their unqualified support for their clubs, given that they're so easily prepared to brush aside some truly dreadful human rights abuses - so long as the results on the pitch are coming in.
 
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